It SEEMS some WoMD's have been found

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Skunk: Wow - they found one measly shell - glad we killed 10,000 people to get or well, god knows how many might have died had it gone off - maybe at least 10 people!

Ok, Ole offender of the offactory senses,
So the numders are 10,000 and 10. Well would it make you feel any better if only 9,999 were killed and the shell could kill 11? I can play this game all day long [img]smile.gif[/img] but that still doesn't change that it seems a shell has been found, when so many were shouting from the mountain tops that NOTHING HAS BEEN FOUND. Please show me the math were 1 = 0.
As I have writen admitting a WoMD shell has been found, in no way is agreeing that the war was right, it only destroys the agruement that there were no WoMD's. I wasn't the one that has latched onto that arguement and logic, who has built their house on that now seemingly shaky foundation. In fact you'll find I've stated there were several reasons given for the War, 7 IIRC. Any number of which were enough for me. My foundation stands unshaken

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by john: i wonder if upon closer inspection you might find a stamp on the side saying "made in the u.s.a."?

Old tried worn out arguement that has no shread of evidence. During the Time the U.S.A. was supossed to be exporting those WoMD's(1980's) would you care to venture a guess at who the #1 arms supplier to Iraq was? The U.S.A. ****Wrong**** How about #2? The U.S.A. ****Wrong**** how about #3? the U.S.A ***Wrong*** How about #4? the U.S.A. DingDingDingDing ****Right****

Now for the bonus round:
What percent did the #1 number sell to Iraq?
How about number #2?
How about #3? which countries were they? *Hint* which countries were in the for front against the U.S. lead invasion?
Of those countries which one also have the tech capitabilities to make and sell WoMD's?

Just a few questions to chew on

[Night Stalker]

#1 ... USSR
#2 ... China
#3 ... France

Oh .... and those are post UN sanctions rankings .....

[johnny]

Erm... isn't germany supposed to be in there somewhere. They produced all kinds of gasses, and if i'm not mistaken, sold several agents to Iraq among others.

[Night Stalker]

They are on the list, but not the top suppliers.

[Chewbacca]

The mistruth that Iraq was a immenent threat with military-strike WMD capablity still stands as undisputedly a mistruth- lies and/or errors.

Colin Powell admitted just a few short days ago that his slam dunk presentation at the U.N. before the invasion was almost totally based on false information.

This news about the IED made from an old left-over artillery shell hardly validates the Bush administration's pre-war rhetoric. If anything it accents just how wrong they were. Whether or not they were liars or simply mis-informed remains a topic under investigation and for a different discussion.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: #1 ... USSR #2 ... China #3 ... France Oh .... and those are post UN sanctions rankings .....

Close 2 out of 3 not bad
#1USSR 50%+-(maybe high on USSR it was upper 40's IIRC)
#2France 27%+-
#3Germany 18%+-
#4 U.S.A. 10%+-

[ 05-19-2004, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: The mistruth that Iraq was a immenent threat with military-strike WMD capablity still stands as undisputedly a mistruth- lies and/or errors. Colin Powell admitted just a few short days ago that his slam dunk presentation at the U.N. before the invasion was almost totally based on false information. This news about the IED made from an old left-over artillery shell hardly validates the Bush administration's pre-war rhetoric. If anything it accents just how wrong they were. Whether or not they were liars or simply mis-informed remains a topic under investigation and for a different discussion.

Ok Chewie pick a date the weapon must have been made by to disqualify it as a WoMD [img]smile.gif[/img] You know what will follow next I'll ask if it was made 1 day earlier, you will disqualify it as a WoMD? I'll nickle and dime you back to the stoneage

Nice try, but the assesment they are liars was in the most part made on the foundation that NO WoMD's had been found. ONE HAS!!!! yet the foundation will not be abandoned while the house crumbles around. Even with the saftey line thrown in: that admitting the existance of a WoMD in Iraq is not the same as admitting the war was right. The WoMD must be somehow nullified.

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, it's like stealing candy from a baby. I'm just having too much fun remembering the thread started about 6 months ago demanding an apology since No WoMD's had been found yet. IIRC the evil warmongering amoungst us said to give it time but we would have no problem saying they were wrong and there were no WoMD's. because we knew there were more reasons then just WoMD's. IIRC there were even some on the otherside that said if WoMD's were found they'd be doing the apologizing Now I Know this thread is still new so not all have seen it, but I wait with bated breath. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[John D Harris]

Yet another nuget to digest:

"As we know, the Baathist regime had a track record of using" these chemicals against people in Iraq, such as the Kurds, Ziad continued. "He's [Saddam] never kept any commitment he's ever made to the international committee nor to the people" to not use such deadly materials.


Ziad said the United Nations, the World Health Organization and others had not "bothered" to travel to the Iraqi Kurdistan to see the firsthand effects sarin and other chemical weapons had on people and to get proof that Saddam did in fact possess such weapons.

"We have evidence — we have victims of the use of those agents, and we're still waiting for WHO and the U.N. to come investigate," Ziad said.

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Skunk: Wow - they found one measly shell -....snip.....

Where there's smoke, there is fire, my boy! Let's wait a while and see what turns up.

Skunk...skunk....skunk... always spinning it 'your' way..