Wow - what a news day.

[Timber Loftis]

Further thoughts on OBL's love letter to the EU bluebloods.

This truce, the message said, was to deny ``the warmongers'' further opportunities and because polls have shown that ``most of the European peoples want reconciliation'' with the Islamic world.

Two fallacies in one sentence: (1) it's the terrorist who are "warmongers," actually trying to impede the US from simply helping a nation have freedom and build hospitals, and (2) OBL don't represent Islam.

In a reference to terror attacks on the United States and Spain, the voice said that ``what happened on Sept. 11 and March 11 was your goods delivered back to you.''

Again, we can play the tit-for-tat game, too. It ain't one incident. The unwashed shoot-guns-in-air groups have been terrorising people for years. Arafat was once a young man -- and he was militant. It may not be him, but when I look at OBL I see the same type of man who shoots a man in a wheelchair and tosses him into the sea. Except OBL's a lot better at running and hiding.

The message also vowed revenge for Israel's killing of Yassin last month, which provoked international outrage. ``We vow before God to take revenge for him from America for this, God willing,'' it said.

Wait, erm... syntax error does not compute. Israel killed Yassin so the terrorists will take revenge on the US? OBL needs some remedial logic classes.

The message said that American policy ignores the ``real problem,'' which is ``the occupation of all of Palestine.''

Boy, what to do here? I think it's just a good excuse to hate non-muslims. It's certainly a problem that's been facing the region for 3000 or more years. There were just a LOT of militant peoples who developed in the area. Israel had the misfortune of living along their trade routes, but generally it's been one heck of a ride for the region. Can we preserve all these peoples and ethnicities and countries and cultures into the future? Should we? With so many militant cultures clashing in one spot, logic dictates that some must die out, doesn't it?

[johnny]

Okay then, forget i mentioned it.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Donut: Oh dear Timber. History teaches us that you always have to negotiate with terrorists or their representatives eventually. Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Menachem Begin, Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Makarios.

**shudder** Just reading that makes me feel dirty. I hope there's another model to this thing.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by Donut: Oh dear Timber. History teaches us that you always have to negotiate with terrorists or their representatives eventually. Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Menachem Begin, Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Makarios.

**shudder** Just reading that makes me feel dirty. I hope there's another model to this thing. [/QUOTE]I agree it's disgusting - it's a bitter pill. I hated the idea of negotiating with the IRA.

To get over it we rewrite history.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Spoiled rich brat mysogenist decides to use daddy's money to convince others to kill themselves in the name of religious zealotry. I don't exactly respect him.

You *are* talking about bin Laden here, right?

[Timber Loftis]

Yes, I am. I'd have to take out the mysogenist (sp??) bit and replace "use daddy's money to convince others to kill themselves" with "use daddy's money to get elected so he can [insert insult]" if I were talking about that other paragon of evil -- which is your reference, of course.

[ 04-15-2004, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Skunk]

Be clear - Bin Laden wasn't offering a truce to Europe, he was offering a truce to adolescent (new) Europe.

He doesn't consider himself to be at war with mature Europe - although these countries with the older, more experienced and sensible leaders will continue to try to track him down regardless of his attitudes towards them.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Skunk: Be clear - Bin Laden wasn't offering a truce to Europe, he was offering a truce to adolescent (new) Europe. He doesn't consider himself to be at war with mature Europe - although these countries with the older, more experienced and sensible leaders will continue to try to track him down regardless of his attitudes towards them.

How do you know whom he considers himself at war with ? Have you spoken with him lately ? From what i've seen and heard from him in his taped messages he's at war with everyone who's an infidel in his book, and that includes 90% of Europe. Plus he also has a problem with faithful muslims, who don't agree with his point of view. That's what i understand from his messages.

[Timber Loftis]

Spain isn't "Old Europe?" If so, you really need to help out the folks who write history books.

[Skunk]

Originally posted by johnny: How do you know whom he considers himself at war with ?

Because he stated it without any ambiguity:
"I also offer a reconciliation initiative to them, whose essence is our commitment to stopping operations against every country that commits itself to not attacking Muslims or interfering in their affairs - including the US conspiracy on the greater Muslim world.

This reconciliation can be renewed once the period signed by the first government expires and a second government is formed with the consent of both parties.

The reconciliation will start with the departure of its last soldier from our country."

Since 'old europe' doesn't have any troops based in the middle-east and is not at war with middle-eastern countries, the message is clearly not meant for them.

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Spain isn't "Old Europe?" If so, you really need to help out the folks who write history books.

Aznar is an adolescent european but is fortunately being replaced by a more mature leader [img]smile.gif[/img] , so Spain will soon lose that title. Now, if only my own country could gain a comparable leader to the new Spanish one, the world would be a lot safer...