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Old 01-14-2004, 09:38 AM   #11
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Barry, it was an accident and not preventable...mistakes happen. If they were all preventable they wouldn't happen, it's why they are called ACCIDENTS. No where in human endeavor will you EVER find 100% surety. It just does not exist.

Willow: whats that got to do with anything? The point of my post was that you cannot avoid accidents. You can try to lessen the odds, but the fact is...they happen.

If you or anyone ever comes up with a way to eliminate all accidents on even a small scale...say just one town...let me know, I can hook you up to become the richest person in Canada.

From the way some people react you would think the guy took live ammo and straffed an elementary school for the fun of it. It was a NON-Event...no injuries and the property damage was likely a new goppher size hole in the yard.
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:54 AM   #12
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Thats fair enough MagiK but my point was that that wasn't your original defence, or if it was it was phrased so differently I can't make out the similarity. Originally you stated that it happened a lot and the odds of it causing harm were astronomical. I then pointed out that neither of those are very comforting, and that neither of them stop the act in question from being a problem. Then you come out with the fract that its not preventable (which, don't get me wrong, I am prepared to believe).

My point is that your first defence is not the same as the one you're coming out with now, and that the first defence wasn't a defence at all really. I like this one though, I'm prepared to accept it just as long as we realise its not quite the same thing as what you said first off.
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Old 01-14-2004, 09:55 AM   #13
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There's an itch at the back of my brain that I just can't scratch. I'm sure it's to do with how to totally eliminate the risk of US planes accidently dropping practice (or otherwise) bombs on the UK.

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Old 01-14-2004, 10:39 AM   #14
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Well, because just coming out and saying what you meant Donut might just sound .... oh I don't know .....

This was just a training accident. America is no more prone to them then any other military in the world. Or do you believe that your armed forces never had an accident? Replace American F-15 with British Tornado and the scenario is just as likely.
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Old 01-14-2004, 10:42 AM   #15
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Actually most accidents are preventable but they do occasionally occur. If Magik is to be believed that these things happen all the time, bombs falling out of airplanes that is than maybe the US military should get off there asses and perform a needed risk assessment of these accidents to see how they can be reduced to a minimum. Believe me no oil company would get away with an accident like that happening all the time. Most oil and gas refineries just need an ignition source for something to go wrong while it is almost impossible to prevent all ignition sources they can do there damned best from the location of a parking lot to not allowing employees to smoke on the job or near the plant, to back up systems for shutting down operations to the entire plant . While it is still possible for an accident to occur it is slim because if someone were to get hurt they may have there ass sued. If someone tries to sue the US military the tax payer pays so General Ding Dong doesn't really give a crap, and they are not so bloody concerned as a private company or corporation. Now maybe they do do risk assesments, and investigate incident reports, but with the lax attitude of "that is the cost of doing business", I highgly doubt it takes these things seriously enough. Now the attitude "Something went wrong we will do our damned finest to make sure it doesn't happen again" is the attitude they need. [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img]


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Old 01-14-2004, 11:09 AM   #16
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Well, because just coming out and saying what you meant Donut might just sound .... oh I don't know .....
I think the word you are looking for here Night Stalker is 'boring' Please note the smiley. The comment was made tongue-in-cheek. I'm not trying to start an argument here.

However, the use of the word 'because' in a sentence is usually in response to a question using the word 'why'. I haven't posed any question at all in my post.

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This was just a training accident. America is no more prone to them then any other military in the world. Or do you believe that your armed forces never had an accident? Replace American F-15 with British Tornado and the scenario is just as likely.
Why so defensive all the time? I never made any such claim, you are putting words into my mouth and ascribing meanings to my words that simply don't exist.
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Old 01-14-2004, 11:23 AM   #17
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Tsk, tsk, tsk... either pilot error or the bomb might have came loose. I don't see any need to make it a big issue unless it is armed.

Oh, chill out guys. Accidents happened. Just be glad that it is not an armed tactical nuke.

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Well... it could have happened this way:


Two F-15s flying low, admiring the English country site.

Pilot#1: John, isn't that your wife?

John: Yeah, I think so... wait a minute... why is SHE KISSING THE GUY!?

Pilot#1: Cool down, there might be a perfect explaination to this.

John: EXPLAIN THIS! BOMBS AWAY! You cheating little #@*%!

Pilot#1: John... It is a training bomb. What are you going to do? Squish both of them with a dummy bomb?


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Old 01-14-2004, 12:10 PM   #18
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Old 01-14-2004, 12:12 PM   #19
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There is an investigation going on and we don't know whether it was an accident or a mistake (or both).

But taking accidents in general I don't think it's acceptable to say 'don't worry about it - no-one was hurt".

If you're cleaning your gun and it goes off and the bullet whistles past my ear please don't tell me not to make a fuss because I wasn't hurt. I'm going to want to know how it could have happened and what you're going to do to avoid the same mistake again.

Even more so if you're in my house at the time!
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Old 01-14-2004, 12:17 PM   #20
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quote:
Originally posted by Night Stalker:
Well, because just coming out and saying what you meant Donut might just sound .... oh I don't know .....
I think the word you are looking for here Night Stalker is 'boring' Please note the smiley. The comment was made tongue-in-cheek. I'm not trying to start an argument here.

However, the use of the word 'because' in a sentence is usually in response to a question using the word 'why'. I haven't posed any question at all in my post.

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Originally posted by Night Stalker:

This was just a training accident. America is no more prone to them then any other military in the world. Or do you believe that your armed forces never had an accident? Replace American F-15 with British Tornado and the scenario is just as likely.
Why so defensive all the time? I never made any such claim, you are putting words into my mouth and ascribing meanings to my words that simply don't exist.
[/QUOTE]Forgive me if I read something into your post that you did not intend. I apologise. It is a risk one runs when speaking in indirect subtlety instead of saying what they mean. You open yourself up to misinterpretation. So, you'll understand that it was possible for me to interpret your post as "The best way to stop American bombs from 'accidentaly' falling on British soil, is to remove American military presence from Britain."

As for being defensive, I'll address that later as I am at work right now and need to collect my thoughts.

Please accept my apology for the time being. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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