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Old 12-05-2003, 07:31 AM   #11
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Yeah, wonder how many steel jobs that will cost in PA, OH and WV? Anyone got any ideas what an out of work steel worker with a minimal education can do? Hate to see the American Steel Industry finally slide into the briny deep. But I guess it had to go sometime.
This has already happened in most of the industrialised wold. The steel industry in Britain has been streamlined and many steel workers lost their jobs. More British workers lost their jobs because of the US tarif on steel. How do steel tariffs affect those US workers that work in industries that use steel (such as the motor manufacturers)? It costs them more and the costis passed on to the consumer.

There are only two small groups that benefit from steel tariffs - one is the US steel manufacturers - can you guess who the other group are?
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Old 12-07-2003, 06:19 PM   #12
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Yes, it most certainly is. Without the communistic capitalism practices of other nations, our government would dole out fewer subsidies. Ergo, EU and Pacific Rim subsidies force us to do the same. Society is better off letting unhealthy businesses expire rather than sending them more money.
Ah yes poor little US. Still why are you entitled to gripe about subsidies? You are using it and can afford it. Shouldn't it be the countries that suffers from your (and EVERYBODY else's) subsidies? Practically every country outside the west. Now they have reasons to gripe about our subsidies, not the US. And then you can point fingers all you want.
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Old 12-08-2003, 11:06 AM   #13
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Sorry, guys, I've said my peace. It's simple: the US would not have entered the subsidy game without being forced to. Until about the time of the Chrysler bail-out, the US had shied from subsidies. It played the "nationalized industry" game (with the airline industry, for example) for a bit, which is truly a form of subsidy, but was first in leading the world away from this model as well. In fact, airline deregulation in the US was the model which inspired the Torries. Anyway, that's several other tales, and offtopic. I said my peace, we differ.
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Old 12-12-2003, 03:48 PM   #14
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Whoo hoo!! My letters to Congress actually made a difference!!!


*Disclaimer: I really did write letters, I really don't think they made any difference.
If this is serious and you did write a letter than all credit to you and thankyou. The volume of letters can show the goverment that people can see through this cynical crap. [img]graemlins/awesomework.gif[/img]

They knew they where breaking the law the sly scum they where just letting the slow wheels of justice buy them time
[/QUOTE]Oh it was/is certainly true. I've also written letters on Farm Subsidies, the National debt, The prisoners in Cuba, and the synthetic fuels fiasco.

Getting rdy to write letters in regard to this whole bidding in Iraq thing.

Oh, and to comment to your earlier comments (and others) about subsidies...there is absolutley nothing wrong for a developing country (or even a developed one in rare cases) to subsidize VIRGIN industries to help them get on their feet. The problem is when a leg up turns into a hand out...and when the subisidy is a crutch rather than a flu shot (if that analogy made any sense)
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