Wesley Clark vs Fox news

[Pikachu_PM]

Originally posted by Maelakin: quote: Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: More to the point, the degrees of biasness are quite relative...traditional news shows may be biased...but they make an honest attempt not to be--and do so quite well according to the majority of Americans.

Do you have any proof to present backing your argument that the majority of Americans believe the media is trying to be honest? Most people I personally know believe the media to only present topics in a one sided manner to sway public opinion. [/QUOTE]Yes...a Gallup pole done about 7 months ago...I'll see If I can locate the actual pole results---in which 26%% of Americans said the American media is completley unbiased, and 45% said the American media, while occasionally biased, generally does a good job of being unbiased.

[Pikachu_PM]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: quote: Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: Don't take this the wrong way, but now you're just irritating me...

I must say the irritation isn't mutual. It doesn't bother me at all to have to tell you when you're being arrogant on a level that is asinine. In this and ever other thread I've ever seen you involved in, you become irritated at those who disagree and refuse to see your logic as the only correct view. In addition, you like to go out and speculate on the statements of others and randomly assign meanings to them that fit your ideals of their wrong-ness. That's not the way it works.

This is a discussion board, so you'll really need to get used to the 'discussion' part of it, or you're wasting your time here because if you're just looking to have people accept your view on things, you've hooked up with the wrong group and there is much irritation in your future.

There are only two kinds of people who vote constantly Republican--really rich people, and really stupid people.

This statement is stupid. Complete and utter BS. [/QUOTE]I said you were irritating me, I never said I didn't love you (I do).

Also, I never said i was right, I just said you were wrong. If I assigned meaning to your statments that is my right to do so--so long as there is logic behind my assignment (which there was/is).

Further, you call my statments arrogant and imply that I do not respect other peoples opinions---where have I stated someone to be wrong without proof? More to the point, where in my post did I make a statement that you can disprove? I may have firm opinions, but they are firm because they are opinions based on fact.

As for the whole rich person/stupid person thing---while stated as an intentionly antagonizing generality I would yet challange you to name one person who is Intelligent(about politics), consitantly votes republican, and whose family middle class or 'lower'. I can't think of a single person...and if you can, please remember that its the exceptions that prove the rule.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: I said you were irritating me, I never said I didn't love you (I do). Your true feelings were never in doubt. Also, I never said i was right, I just said you were wrong. At least we partially agree. You weren't right. If I assigned meaning to your statements that is my right to do so--so long as there is logic behind my assignment (which there was/is). You have no such right and are kidding yourself if you think you can make up something and then hide that fabrication behind the pretense of logic. Your assumptions weren't based on logic. In regard to your two-fold irritation(AKA illogical assumptions), I said nothing to indicate that I was (a)disagreeing with you just to disagree(what an egocentric notion). I was disagreeing because I thought you were wrong. I also said nothing to indicate that (b) Fox was justified in it's very right leaning stance. What logic should have told you about my post was that 'leaning' in news reporting is wrong. It is wrong when it is done a little for 100 million viewers a day AND when it is done allot for 2 million viewers a day. An additional point would be whose leaning is having more of an impact? The leaning that is constantly commented on and criticized which reaches the few, or the leaning that is accepted as inevitable by the many? Further, you call my statements arrogant and imply that I do not respect other peoples opinions---where have I stated someone to be wrong without proof? More to the point, where in my post did I make a statement that you can disprove? I may have firm opinions, but they are firm because they are opinions based on fact. In the text that I've quoted you said I was wrong and you did it without proof. Disprove your idea? Why bother when you can't prove it? Firm opinions are great, but just because you base them on something doesn't mean that something is fact. See you've talked allot about facts, but you haven't show any. As for the whole rich person/stupid person thing---while stated as an intentionally antagonizing generality I would yet challange you to name one person who is Intelligent(about politics), consitantly votes republican, and whose family middle class or 'lower'. I can't think of a single person...and if you can, please remember that its the exceptions that prove the rule. An 'intentionally antagonizing generality' would be against the TOS, so you'll want to avoid those in the future. Regarding your question, I don't actually know anyone who is politically intelligent and votes a straight ticket... Republican or Democrat. The people in my circle vote for candidates based on the issues at hand and the candidate's position. The lack of an exception disproves your rule. The real problem with your statement is that you seek to judge people you don't know. It's quite arrogant. Sorry about your experience with the JR college government council's Republican branch but to extrapolate that experience onto the real world's Republican party and/or all Republicans is completely illogical, not based on fact, wrong-headed, and cannot be proved no matter how firm your opinion on the subject.

[ 11-21-2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Pikachu_PM]

What were we arguing about again? I forgot.

[Ronn_Bman]

Semantics.

[ 11-21-2003, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Sorry about your experience with the JR college government council's Republican branch but to extrapolate that experience onto the real world's Republican party and/or all Republicans is completely illogical, not based on fact, wrong-headed, and cannot be proved no matter how firm your opinion on the subject. [/qb]

The video bit I posted to start this thread is a prime example of how the Fox and certain other right wing voices do exactly that. Clark calls the interviewer to task for it in a very forceful manner.

[Pikachu_PM]

Ok, sorry, I just did that last post to be irritating...I apologize.

Ultimatley, I take extreme views on things to challenge ppl and illicit well thought out (as opposed to haphazard) responses. You have risen and met the challange with grace and elequence (sp?--ironic, huh). I really enjoyed that last post, and while my opinion still remain that our argument has spun off into an entirely different meaning than the author of this thread intended I nonetheless salute you.

Of course, I still stand by the idea that there is a difference between a bias and manipulation, that meanings may be implied, that the stereo type of the manipulative Republican is founded, and that FOX News is evil. But I now believe the liberal media is also evil, opinions are forever futile, and that I'm an arrogant bastard.

But, you do have to admit now that all people who vote *consistantly* Republic are either rich or stupid...you admited as much yourself...only added that people voting *consistantly* Democrat are also stupid. I couldn't agree more.

[Ronn_Bman]

Ah but nothing on Fox is real.

That video must have been edited and only made Clark look good by accident...lol.

[Pikachu_PM]

Originally posted by Rokenn: quote: Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Sorry about your experience with the JR college government council's Republican branch but to extrapolate that experience onto the real world's Republican party and/or all Republicans is completely illogical, not based on fact, wrong-headed, and cannot be proved no matter how firm your opinion on the subject.

The video bit I posted to start this thread is a prime example of how the Fox and certain other right wing voices do exactly that. Clark calls the interviewer to task for it in a very forceful manner. [/QB][/QUOTE]FINALLY! Rokenn see's what I have been doing. Often times, to make a point, one must demonstrate to the other party by example the point one is trying to make. I don't know if that makes sense...but in short, what you (Bman) were feeling while reading my post is exactly how I feel everytime I watch FOX news...and I hope now you know why you shouldn't take its biasness so lighthearted in the future. I consider it's manipulation to be a very serious issue, and not something to laugh about.

[ 11-21-2003, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: Pikachu_PM ]

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Ah but nothing on Fox is real. That video must have been edited and only made Clark look good by accident...lol.

If that is the case someone at Fox forgot to read their daily memo.