Oh! The little devils are dead!

[Larry_OHF]

With the Wizard of Oz in mind...

"Ding Dong the Pricks are Dead!"

[Animal]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Iraqis are celebrating by shooting guns into the air right now -- which is nighttime there. [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] Wish we were free enough to do that here. Hell, I can't even OWN a handgun in Chicago.

I thought they were celebrating by shooting guns into the US soldiers.

[Attalus]

The picture sure looks aimed at the sky to me. I'll bet that for every jerk still fighting us, there are 1000s celebrating.

[Animal]

Originally posted by Attalus: The picture sure looks aimed at the sky to me. I'll bet that for every jerk still fighting us, there are 1000s celebrating.

It was more of a joke, than anything else. You'll have to excuse my jaded attitude, I was opposed to this before, now with Blair's cabinet killing themselves, Bush's CIA pulling the old Bill Clinton, "I don't remember," it's starting to look even worse to me. US Soldiers are still being killed daily, and for what? Even the soldiers themselves are begining to question the reason why they are there. Sounds like another Vietnam, to me.

I hope to hell I'm wrong.

[ 07-22-2003, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: Animal ]

[Bardan the Slayer]

He was a civil servant, not a cabinet member [img]smile.gif[/img]

But a unit of the Florida Army National Guard, believing that it was coming under fire from 30 yards away, shot a man twice in the chest and a girl who looked to be between 6 and 8 once in the head. As the unit retreated under orders, a medic treated the girl, who was taken to a hospital in a passing car.

And I couldn't help but notice that innocent people on both sides are still being shot and killed. Sad.

[ 07-22-2003, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

[The Hierophant]

No matter how much you don't like someone, it pays not to celebrate their death. Celebrate the freedom their death brings, sure, but showing joy human death itself betrays a certain... ugliness of character so to speak. Sets a bad precedent, that sort of thing... Food for thought.

And I've said it once (or twice, or thrice) and I'll keep on saying it, no one is fighting YOU! People are fighting soldiers funded by YOUR taxes, but they are not fighting YOU. YOU have nothing to do with what goes on in Iraq, despite how free and democratic you think you are. So head on back to your job and get the idea that YOU matter in the greater scheme of things out of your head.

[johnny]

Originally posted by The Hierophant: No matter how much you don't like someone, it pays not to celebrate their death. Celebrate the freedom their death brings, sure, but showing joy human death itself betrays a certain... ugliness of character so to speak. Sets a bad precedent, that sort of thing... Food for thought. And I've said it once (or twice, or thrice) and I'll keep on saying it, no one is fighting YOU! People are fighting soldiers funded by YOUR taxes, but they are not fighting YOU. YOU have nothing to do with what goes on in Iraq, despite how free and democratic you think you are. So head on back to your job and get the idea that YOU matter in the greater scheme of things out of your head.

You're talking about two monsters here, who were probably even worse than their father. I would celebrate as well if i were an Iraqi. Hell, i'd throw a party and invite the whole of Baghdad.

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by johnny: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: No matter how much you don't like someone, it pays not to celebrate their death. Celebrate the freedom their death brings, sure, but showing joy human death itself betrays a certain... ugliness of character so to speak. Sets a bad precedent, that sort of thing... Food for thought. And I've said it once (or twice, or thrice) and I'll keep on saying it, no one is fighting YOU! People are fighting soldiers funded by YOUR taxes, but they are not fighting YOU. YOU have nothing to do with what goes on in Iraq, despite how free and democratic you think you are. So head on back to your job and get the idea that YOU matter in the greater scheme of things out of your head.

You're talking about two monsters here, who were probably even worse than their father. I would celebrate as well if i were an Iraqi. Hell, i'd throw a party and invite the whole of Baghdad. [/QUOTE]Actually, I agree with The Hierophant here.
And I'm not sure what people have seen on TV concerning reactions of the Iraqi people to these two deaths, but I didn't see that much cheering at all. In fact, in this topic people seem a lot happier than the Iraqi people drawn in front of the camera ever were (on Dutch TV, anyways) - they're skeptical about the US-soldiers' capabilities of keeping things under control and are itching to take care of their own country now; or at least that's the impression I got. One Iraqi in front of the camera even went as far as referring to the ones attacking US-vehicles as "heroes".

Compared to what Timber mentioned above about their reactions, it seems rather easy to manipulate the news in a way to fit the respective agendas of the broadcast stations and "force" a general response on the Western viewers as they probably wish to see it. I suppose the truth is somewhere in the middle, though. That the Iraqi people are still divided on this is definitely no secret.

[ 07-23-2003, 04:55 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[johnny]

In the news last night, there was an interview with an Arab BBC reporter who was life on the spot, and he said there were people shooting in the air with their AK 47's. NOTE... shooting in the air... NOT shooting at Americans.

Sounds like a celebration to me.

Edit: he also said another curious thing, he was convinced that the Americans captured Saddam, and took him away with a helicopter. he says Saddam is being given medical treatment in a hospital in Mosul. The Americans deny it though.

[ 07-23-2003, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by johnny: Edit: he also said another curious thing, he was convinced that the Americans captured Saddam, and took him away with a helicopter. he says Saddam is being given medical treatment in a hospital in Mosul. The Americans deny it though.

Seems a bit of a stretch... As if the US wouldn't yell it out to the world if they've really captured him.
Though perhaps they're unsure of having the right Saddam, with clones running around and all?