Liberia

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: quote: Originally posted by Rokenn: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Sounds like the [perfect job for the UN and the Eu. No need for the USA to go "Imposing it's will" on people. After all don't want that Hegemony to get any bigger or more dominant.

But our President stated before the world that the countries that harbor terrorist will be treated as terrorist themselves. But a guess, as in other matters, some terrorists are more equal then others. He has failed to live up to his other promises, why should this one be any different? [/QUOTE]Our President has also been thoroughly criticized for even hinting that Syria and Iran could be "future targets" for military action for harboring terrorists.

And now he is being criticized for NOT declaring military action against yet another 3rd World country. I guess some "terrorist harboring" countries are more equal than others also.

Besides, President Bush has shown his support by joining other allies calling for the resignation of Liberia's President. The U.S. is exerting the same effort and pressure on Liberia's president as the rest of the UN and EU nations. Since these nations were so strongly opposed to our last military effort, I would have thought they would be proud to see us FINALLY exercising some restraint and looking for a non-military resolution to the conflict. [/QUOTE]If the case of an Al-queda connection had been as strong in Iraq as it is in Liberia I would have whole heartedly supported the war in Iraq. Just as I felt the action in Afganistan was warrented.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Besides, President Bush has shown his support by joining other allies calling for the resignation of Liberia's President. The U.S. is exerting the same effort and pressure on Liberia's president as the rest of the UN and EU nations. Since these nations were so strongly opposed to our last military effort, I would have thought they would be proud to see us FINALLY exercising some restraint and looking for a non-military resolution to the conflict.

The American intervention are not ment to be with blazing guns - there are supposed to act as a buffer between rebels and government forces - in order to protect civilians.

President Taylor is very unlikely to resign:
1. He's democraticly elected (unusually enough)
2. He has war-crimes charges hanging over his head for his involvement in the civil-war in neighbouring Sierra Leone.

[Iron_Ranger]

Here is an interesting bit on Liberia.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/...l/liberia.html

Rokken can you provide some sources that prove Liberia has connections with Al-Queda?

[khazadman]

But don't forget Ar-Cunin that you-know-who in Germany was democratically elected too. And he got involved in another countries civil war.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: quote: Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Besides, President Bush has shown his support by joining other allies calling for the resignation of Liberia's President. The U.S. is exerting the same effort and pressure on Liberia's president as the rest of the UN and EU nations. Since these nations were so strongly opposed to our last military effort, I would have thought they would be proud to see us FINALLY exercising some restraint and looking for a non-military resolution to the conflict.

The American intervention are not ment to be with blazing guns - there are supposed to act as a buffer between rebels and government forces - in order to protect civilians.
[/QUOTE]That just reaffirms my belief that any and all civilian deaths will be blamed on the U.S. (either directly or indirectly) if we do send troops over there.

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Iron_Ranger: Here is an interesting bit on Liberia. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/...l/liberia.html Rokken can you provide some sources that prove Liberia has connections with Al-Queda?

It was originally reported in the Washington Post back in dec of 2002, With the current flurry of Liberian news it is hard to find a neswpaper article but here ya go:
Report Says Africans Harbored Al Qaeda
excerpt:

Investigators from several countries concluded that President Charles Taylor of Liberia received a $1 million payment for arranging to harbor the operatives, who were in the region for at least two months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and the Pentagon. The terrorists moved between a protected area in Liberia and the presidential compound in neighboring Burkina Faso, investigators say.

edit: to correct the date

[ 07-02-2003, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Rokenn ]

[Chewbacca]

American forces to be deployed to Liberia:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90963,00.html

Originally posted by Rokenn: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Rokenn: [qb] He has failed to live up to his other promises, why should this one be any different?

Which ones? [/QUOTE]Like the civil administration that was supposed to have been in place in Iraq, that has been posponed. [/QUOTE]
Has it been canceled? Or is the president supposed to do things wether they are possible at the moemnt or not. All I see here is a person trying to second guess the administration when they themselves and other administrations would probably be faced with having to postpone things as well....had they actually done anythinhg to start with. I do believe all you are doing here is engaging in partisan politics and not being rational about the issue.

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by MagiK:Has it been canceled? Or is the president supposed to do things wether they are possible at the moemnt or not. All I see here is a person trying to second guess the administration when they themselves and other administrations would probably be faced with having to postpone things as well....had they actually done anythinhg to start with. I do believe all you are doing here is engaging in partisan politics and not being rational about the issue.

Maybe if they had spent as much time putting together an actual plan of recontruction as they did embellishing tales of WOMD's, they would not have had to postpone it.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Rokenn: Maybe if they had spent as much time putting together an actual plan of recontruction as they did embellishing tales of WOMD's, they would not have had to postpone it.

Yeah really, I read they started planning the Iraqi occupation in January 03. For comparative purposes the Allies in WW2 started planning the occupation of the Axis states in 1942.

Let's also not forget Bush made alot of noise about not doing any "nation building" during his 2000 campaign.