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I would also point out that prior to 1994 it was the democrats who controlled both the house and the senate for the previous ..what 30 to 40 years? Oh just a little tid bit of trivia here....Im not a republican...I did vote for bush but Im a Libertarian [img]smile.gif[/img] just thought Id set the record straight. |
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.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was a Book called "The Ecology and you" used im Mrs. Marsh's 10th grade Science class. It had a really cool looking green and white peace sign on the cover and had a couple of mentions about Green parties or Green something or others. In the 1970's ..early to mid there were many many many news paper articles telling us that the gas shortages were the precursors of the end of the fossil feul reserves. I don't dispute that at some point Oil will become scarce enough to make competing technologies more economicly competitve, Personally Im betting on Hydrogen Fuel Cell's as the near term solution Solar is good but too weather and latitude dependant. in the 70's the ecologists really had the US citizenary (me included) spooked, the Book and Movie "Soylent Green" will give you an idea of what they were telling us we were headed for. Soylent Green and Future Shock were two very influential public scare sources. While the news papers and print jounalists were jumping on each new "ecology" based theory and thought that came out. SC [img]smile.gif[/img] Im not against adopting Ecologicaly sound principals, I just want to see the stuff based on REAL, HARD science and not the theory of the week reactionism that is currently the fad. There is one other ecology book I remember from the 70's...but I can't quite remember the title. It was widely used in the Public High School system and was rather thick with a hard cover....damn...hehe I wish I had a totally eidetic memory. I do hope you don't believe I just make this crap up. Im pulling from a very real personal past here. I will gladly admit Im wrong when and if I see proof I can believe. In the mean time I say, do real research not like the crap done at MIT which completely biases all of its research articles (Yeah I subscribe to the MIT Technical Review) by starting with the basic Idea.."whatever it is..it is the Right Wings fault.". |
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04-19-2002, 02:34 PM | #14 |
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On whole, we humans do have a devastating effect on the environment... compared to other animals, and although we do have a duty to our environment, I think peiople are throwing the exact amount of human input out of proportion.
Times change, they always have, and they always will, this is why humans are still here, because we are adaptable, and I expect the worlds temperature has fluctuated greatly in it's time, so who are we to detract from nature's balance if we are supposedly looking out for nature???
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The real issue that I wanted to make is that the "Severe" cooling may not in fact be a gradual thing. The Ocean Salinity theory I was talking about earlier, might actually account for a sudden (decades) major drop in temperatures. The deep ocean currents that distribue the heat away from the tropical oceans into the more northern climes apparently can be affected quite rapidly by the lowered salinty...the guys (and no Im not gonna dig for titles and page numbers if you want to know all about it you will have to look it up your self) who reaserching this have been quite alarmed.....Of course Ill believe it when it is a bit more conclusive. In the mean time I will continue as before. |
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04-19-2002, 04:06 PM | #16 |
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This is a public apology to Silver Cheetah.
I responded unkindly to her last post because my paranoia led me to assume she was being sarcastic and indirectly accusing me of being a liar. After talking to her via AIM I learned that she was indeed interested in the source material and not just harassing me. I have deleted the unkind post and Apologized to her..and now to all of you for being so quick to make assumptions as to motivations. I am stubborn and definatley old school in a lot of things but I am not above common courtesy. |
04-19-2002, 04:11 PM | #17 |
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Well, when the next ice age comes along it doesn't really matter, we've survived one before and we can adapt for the next, then it will probably settle into a more temperate period like now and carry on, we've adapted before, and if we can't this coming time, hey that's evolution for you!
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On a more positive note,
I have been reading about some great break throughs in Hydrogen Feul Cells that are happening in both the USA and Europe. I am also really interested in the "Pebble Bed" nuclear reactors that are in design in europe and in Canada. This is really cool tech that have very real possibilities of working out. |
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Also that even if we aren't changing it that much that doesn't give us reason to speed it up too much, we should try to be as environmentally friendly as possible and let the next ice-age come when it will. But I do wish we had some accurate way of knowing how badly we are effecting it, it may be more than some expected and might convince them to be more kind to our habitat.
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