Lord of the Rings Movie Nitpick... - Page 2

Wulfere · 11-26-2001, 08:36 PM

Well I don't know how many of you would sit still for a 20 hour movie.
The audiobook, unabridged, runs 20 hours. If they included everything they would never get the film released. Not to mention the fact it would take ten years to film just the first one. So sit back, relax and go watch the film. Reserve the right not to like it and go. Lest they never even try to make another fantasy movie. While I will miss Tom and his lady friend Goldberry, the encounter is not necessary to the story line and they have to cut something.

Melusine · 11-27-2001, 08:31 AM

Hear, hear, Ronn and Wulfere, great posts!!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

I can't believe how people are grumbling about this and that already... just try to understand a book is NOT the same as a movie! I've probably read more books than most here, and you don't hear me grumbling about how Luhrman's Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet with Gibson was 'not true to the original text'

Hell, I loved those movies! Get it out of your head that the film will be exactly like the books, this is just NOT possible, they are different means of expression! See it as an artistic interpretation if you like, but don't lose interest over little things like these. For the record; the actors have been receiving archery lesson even before the actual production started, and I think that if something's amiss in that picture, it is just creative license. It's the same as sword-fighting. Most of the actors in the LOTR movies were already very skilled at stage fighting, and they all get extensive training in it. Now, stage-fighting on the screen paradoxically looks much more 'real' than actual swordfighting. It just looks better, even if it's fake. I think the same can be said about the way Legolas (and what a brilliant Legolas he is, he's exactly right for the part!) shoots an arrow; it probably looked better on screen this way.

Garnet FalconDance · 11-27-2001, 08:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Aurican:
[QB]Ok, I saw the latest trailer not too long ago and something really bothered me about it. I wanted to know if anyone else picked up on this.

In the movie preview there is this huge dramatic rush of scenes and in one of them Legolas draws an arrow and notches and fires. What bugs me is how he does this. In the preview he places the arrow on the outside portion of the bow instead of on the inside balanced over his hand.

Does anybody know why he does this? I really want to know because he is sort of a favorite fantasy character for me. Here are some snap shots of what I am talking about.
QB]

Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you.

Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only *half* elven...

Garnet FalconDance · 11-27-2001, 08:46 AM

Nope, I looked again, and I still don't understand what your question is---the way Legolas has drawn and notched is *faster*--**MUCH** faster.

::shrugs::

Darkman · 11-28-2001, 05:41 AM

In regards to the notching of the arrow, the way I learned was to have the arrow on the inside of the bow (where the arrow is between the bow and your body, resting on your knuckle). By having the arrow on the outside you could lose alot of control, espeically if you tilt the bow like Legolas is doing [img]smile.gif[/img]

Of course I've always been better with my 12 gauge than my bow so I may not know what's best

Aurican · 11-28-2001, 11:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance:

Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you.

Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only *half* elven...

Not to berate you archer skills but every person I've ever seen has used the traditional method of shooting where the arrow is rested in the index finger knuckle. I'm not saying that you are that shot of Legolas is wrong, its just not traditional. I would think that having to tilt the bow to accommodate that kind of rest would block your view of your target... I dunno, there are many styles of shooting, but I've just never read of that type.

I'd also like to say, I've seen another trailer and have indeed seen Legolas shoot the proper way, with the arrow on the inside of the bow near your bracing arm. I can on speculate that the scene I previously saw was just an example of how skilled and versatile that this archer must be. He simply did what was quickest in that instance. I'm just glad there is an elven archer character in any movie, much less such a great story as Lord of the Rings

Garnet FalconDance · 11-28-2001, 02:29 PM

I'm still confused, Aurican. Maybe I just notch weird--the arrow rests on my index knuckle and thumb, to the right of the bow (the 'outside'). This is not only the way I was taught upteen years ago but much faster, IMO. And I've never had any difficulty sighting or had to tilt the bow. ::sigh:: Maybe, as you say, it's whatever 'works' for the bowsman.

At any rate, I too am glad there's an elven archer in a movie who isn't a charicature! I can't wait to see the movie!

Wulfere · 11-28-2001, 09:56 PM

Wulfere bows to Melusine...

Well what about Zen archery? They sit on their knees with their eyes closed and shoot at targets (actually a gong) 300 yards away. The last I saw of that on ESPN an elderly woman was the champ. She fired from the outside of the bow with it tilted across her body and her hand on top. She didn't even sight down her arrow! Just drew the bow and fired from the hip. It was amazing!

11-29-2001, 08:00 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance:

Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you.

Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only *half* elven...

Umm If you are resting the arrow on your thumb, your asking to have your skin split wide open by the fletching. I realize home made and cheap bows have no ridge for resting the arrow and stabilize its initial launching, but Im pretty sure that anyone who is a quick draw bow shot will have a very flat bump or notch to rest the arrow on. Most modern bows have the rest positioned for the most stable and accurate shots. Two things I learned very early when useing a bow to hunt...1. Never ever shoot bare armed [img]smile.gif[/img] that string rash can hurt. and 2. Keep your thumb out of the way of the fletching..it will slice your skin AND disrupt the flight of your arrow.

Just my take...

Edit: things may be different for me, Im a lefty.

Garnet FalconDance · 11-29-2001, 08:17 AM

Magik

Oh no, I've never had my thumb split open--even *I* am not that clumsy! [img]smile.gif[/img] rather I stabilize, sight, then shoot, and there *is* a rest for the arrow quite independent of my poor hand. I have had burn on the inner arm when I forgot my guard--but it only happened *ONCE*! [img]smile.gif[/img] This is one gal who is definitely not into pain

11-27-2001, 08:31 AM	#12
Melusine Dracolisk Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 45 Posts: 6,541	Hear, hear, Ronn and Wulfere, great posts!!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] I can't believe how people are grumbling about this and that already... just try to understand a book is NOT the same as a movie! I've probably read more books than most here, and you don't hear me grumbling about how Luhrman's Romeo and Juliet or Hamlet with Gibson was 'not true to the original text' Hell, I loved those movies! Get it out of your head that the film will be exactly like the books, this is just NOT possible, they are different means of expression! See it as an artistic interpretation if you like, but don't lose interest over little things like these. For the record; the actors have been receiving archery lesson even before the actual production started, and I think that if something's amiss in that picture, it is just creative license. It's the same as sword-fighting. Most of the actors in the LOTR movies were already very skilled at stage fighting, and they all get extensive training in it. Now, stage-fighting on the screen paradoxically looks much more 'real' than actual swordfighting. It just looks better, even if it's fake. I think the same can be said about the way Legolas (and what a brilliant Legolas he is, he's exactly right for the part!) shoots an arrow; it probably looked better on screen this way. __________________ [img]\"hosted/melusine.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Your voice is ambrosia

11-27-2001, 08:41 AM	#13
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 61 Posts: 1,443	quote: Originally posted by Aurican: [QB]Ok, I saw the latest trailer not too long ago and something really bothered me about it. I wanted to know if anyone else picked up on this. In the movie preview there is this huge dramatic rush of scenes and in one of them Legolas draws an arrow and notches and fires. What bugs me is how he does this. In the preview he places the arrow on the outside portion of the bow instead of on the inside balanced over his hand. Does anybody know why he does this? I really want to know because he is sort of a favorite fantasy character for me. Here are some snap shots of what I am talking about. QB] Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you. Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only half elven... __________________ "Nature tells every secret once." Ralph Waldo Emerson

11-27-2001, 08:46 AM	#14
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 61 Posts: 1,443	Nope, I looked again, and I still don't understand what your question is---the way Legolas has drawn and notched is faster--MUCH faster. ::shrugs:: __________________ "Nature tells every secret once." Ralph Waldo Emerson

11-28-2001, 05:41 AM	#15
Darkman Avatar Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 44 Posts: 525	In regards to the notching of the arrow, the way I learned was to have the arrow on the inside of the bow (where the arrow is between the bow and your body, resting on your knuckle). By having the arrow on the outside you could lose alot of control, espeically if you tilt the bow like Legolas is doing [img]smile.gif[/img] Of course I've always been better with my 12 gauge than my bow so I may not know what's best __________________ There more of it there is,<br />The less you see.

11-28-2001, 11:47 AM	#16
Aurican Elminster Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina Age: 43 Posts: 470	quote: Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance: Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you. Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only half elven... Not to berate you archer skills but every person I've ever seen has used the traditional method of shooting where the arrow is rested in the index finger knuckle. I'm not saying that you are that shot of Legolas is wrong, its just not traditional. I would think that having to tilt the bow to accommodate that kind of rest would block your view of your target... I dunno, there are many styles of shooting, but I've just never read of that type. I'd also like to say, I've seen another trailer and have indeed seen Legolas shoot the proper way, with the arrow on the inside of the bow near your bracing arm. I can on speculate that the scene I previously saw was just an example of how skilled and versatile that this archer must be. He simply did what was quickest in that instance. I'm just glad there is an elven archer character in any movie, much less such a great story as Lord of the Rings

11-26-2001, 08:36 PM	#11
Wulfere Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA Age: 64 Posts: 893	Well I don't know how many of you would sit still for a 20 hour movie. The audiobook, unabridged, runs 20 hours. If they included everything they would never get the film released. Not to mention the fact it would take ten years to film just the first one. So sit back, relax and go watch the film. Reserve the right not to like it and go. Lest they never even try to make another fantasy movie. While I will miss Tom and his lady friend Goldberry, the encounter is not necessary to the story line and they have to cut something.

11-28-2001, 02:29 PM	#17
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 61 Posts: 1,443	I'm still confused, Aurican. Maybe I just notch weird--the arrow rests on my index knuckle and thumb, to the right of the bow (the 'outside'). This is not only the way I was taught upteen years ago but much faster, IMO. And I've never had any difficulty sighting or had to tilt the bow. ::sigh:: Maybe, as you say, it's whatever 'works' for the bowsman. At any rate, I too am glad there's an elven archer in a movie who isn't a charicature! I can't wait to see the movie! __________________ "Nature tells every secret once." Ralph Waldo Emerson

11-28-2001, 09:56 PM	#18
Wulfere Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA Age: 64 Posts: 893	Wulfere bows to Melusine... Well what about Zen archery? They sit on their knees with their eyes closed and shoot at targets (actually a gong) 300 yards away. The last I saw of that on ESPN an elderly woman was the champ. She fired from the outside of the bow with it tilted across her body and her hand on top. She didn't even sight down her arrow! Just drew the bow and fired from the hip. It was amazing!

11-29-2001, 08:00 AM	#19
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance: Umm, Aurican, (clarifying the idea) the arrow is 'balanced' on his thumb area, correct? (To me, this is the inside of the bow) That's how it looks in the pic. This is how I learned to shoot years ago--grasp the bow in the left hand, draw and sight along the arm with the arrow more or less resting on the inner portion of the thumb. Creates a relatively stable rest, easy to release, and relatively accurate if you have the strength behind you. Is this not the 'right' way....? I mean, I'm only half elven... Umm If you are resting the arrow on your thumb, your asking to have your skin split wide open by the fletching. I realize home made and cheap bows have no ridge for resting the arrow and stabilize its initial launching, but Im pretty sure that anyone who is a quick draw bow shot will have a very flat bump or notch to rest the arrow on. Most modern bows have the rest positioned for the most stable and accurate shots. Two things I learned very early when useing a bow to hunt...1. Never ever shoot bare armed [img]smile.gif[/img] that string rash can hurt. and 2. Keep your thumb out of the way of the fletching..it will slice your skin AND disrupt the flight of your arrow. Just my take... Edit: things may be different for me, Im a lefty.

11-29-2001, 08:17 AM	#20
Garnet FalconDance Mephistopheles Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: deep within the sylvan splendor.... Age: 61 Posts: 1,443	Magik Oh no, I've never had my thumb split open--even I am not that clumsy! [img]smile.gif[/img] rather I stabilize, sight, then shoot, and there is a rest for the arrow quite independent of my poor hand. I have had burn on the inner arm when I forgot my guard--but it only happened ONCE! [img]smile.gif[/img] This is one gal who is definitely not into pain __________________ "Nature tells every secret once." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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