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Sir Exxon · 01-06-2002, 02:22 PM

Hmm, Mazzy is lawful good, Edwin is Chaotic Evil. This may be a problem.
Lets see, you have cleric, mage, thief and fighters. But only two of the fighters!
It would be better to have 3 tankers. So I suggest you use a kensai, and then maybe dual it later to some spellcaster. The kensai/mage is very powerful!

see ya!

ralph · 01-06-2002, 02:24 PM

Then how come when people offer suggestions... they mix the evil and good characters all the time.

How will I know if 2 characters are a bad mix... are mazzy and edwin destined to cause each other to leave the party?? that would suck.

What should i do.

Sir Exxon · 01-06-2002, 02:29 PM

Hmm, I dont know if anyone will be forced to leave the party, I just thought that since you have 3 evil characters it might be a problem.
Not sure, though.
So if you want to follow the sure path, I would suggest that you replace Mazzy with maybe Jaheira or Anomen.
Well, not sure about Anomen. He proclaims to be good, but his alignment is lawful neutral.

see ya!

ralph · 01-06-2002, 02:35 PM

ok, so instead of maz, i'll get jaheria. i'll have a decent fighter plus another cleric. perfect.

So i guess that means that my main character better be bulked up.

What do you think? I hate multiclassing... or dualclassing. I want something pure... what do you think?? i'm thinking maybe an archer.

Sazerac · 01-06-2002, 02:48 PM

Archers are good, from what I've heard, Ralph. FWIW, my experience with BG2 was much the same as yours...I've started and restarted the freaking game so many times you wouldn't believe it. I'm currently playing a CG Berserker dualled to a Thief and will finish the game with this character.

It's best to be a neutral character if you want both good and evil NPC's in your party. If you want Edwin, drop Minsc and pick up Valygar; he'll go with ANYONE. So will Haer'Dalis, Jaheira, Anomen, and Jan; all being neutrals. I don't know about Mazzy, but she probably will, too. Aerie will NOT go with either Viconia or Korgan (she leaves on Korgan, from what I've heard), Minsc will not go with Edwin, but the rest I think will stay...as long as your rep doesn't get too high or too low. The "too high" is probably more to be concerned about, in this game, as it's very highly biased towards "good" rather than "evil". I'm playing an "all good" party so it's no real problem for me, but the evil guys WILL leave if rep gets up to 19 or more. There are ways of lowering it, though...

For me, the game seemed to be a mishmash of clues that went nowhere, people hinting at stuff and then not delivering the "goods", etc., etc., and a bunch of running around on random quests that made no sense...in other words, I didn't understand any storyline until I got past Chapter 3. After Chapter 3, it starts taking off like a roller coaster.

Hang in there! It *IS* worth it, although it takes forty freaking forevers to get to it.

Back to the subject: if you're looking for a "tank" character, try Kensai or Berserker...I personally like Berserker because of the "Enrage" function that virtually makes you immune to any sort of mental or domination attack, or as a Paladin, either Cavalier or Undead Slayer. If you go with a Thief, the Swashbuckler kit is great, except you can't backstab (Swashbuckler is more of a enhanced fighter thief; more like a thief-ranger than anything else.)

-Sazerac

[ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: Sazerac ]

Arduin · 01-07-2002, 02:09 AM

Your evil!
Now I feel all like playing BG2 over again [img]smile.gif[/img]

But thats nothing a trip through Irenicus' Dungeon wont fix...

Ermm... Just WHY did they make the beginning so incredibly annoying?

Sazerac · 01-07-2002, 02:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Arduin:
Your evil!
Now I feel all like playing BG2 over again [img]smile.gif[/img]

But thats nothing a trip through Irenicus' Dungeon wont fix...

Ermm... Just WHY did they make the beginning so incredibly annoying?

I've asked myself that 100 times, Arduin. Trust me, all will be revealed in good time...but you have to get past Chapter 3!

Cheers,
-Sazerac

fable · 01-07-2002, 02:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ralph:
Then how come when people offer suggestions... they mix the evil and good characters all the time.

How will I know if 2 characters are a bad mix... are mazzy and edwin destined to cause each other to leave the party?? that would suck.

What should i do.

Stop worrying.

I've run good/neutral, evil/neutral, and mixed parties through SoA and ToB, and never ran into the conflicts others have. Either I was extremely lucky, or I succeeded because I kept my rep from getting very low or very low with a mixed group. I figured that if anybody complained but stayed, they'd be more likely to get stressed when the party included somebody of the opposite alignment--almost as though that disliked party NPC was somehow responsible for the party's rep predicament.

I'm not saying it was easy, but it worked out, and a group that included Aerie, Minsc, Edwin, Korgan, Jan and my PC lived happily...well, they lived, in any case.

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

Kaz · 01-07-2002, 08:34 AM

I agree, just WHY did they make the beginning so annoying? Couldn't they have added a little prologue BEFORE you get caught by Irenicus? BG1 was much better in that respect, you could walk around, try out your characters, before getting into the action. I've tried very very many characters, but am sticking with the one I made first (an elven archer). Archer is COOL, I agree [img]smile.gif[/img] . What the game lacks is a single-class thief who stays for the whole game, or a single-class non-evil mage (not a problem since you have Edwin). I generally play with an all-good party (rep 20 [img]smile.gif[/img] ), my current party setup is me (Archer), Jaheira, Minsc, Boo

, Imoen and Aerie, I'm thinking of picking up Mazzy for a tank.

Sir Byronas · 01-07-2002, 08:49 AM

Usually my party is:
Me
Anomen (or Keldorn if my character is not a Paladin)
Aerie
Minsc
Jan (or Imoen)
Jaheira
It is your choice!

01-06-2002, 02:48 PM	#15
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 61 Posts: 7,387	Archers are good, from what I've heard, Ralph. FWIW, my experience with BG2 was much the same as yours...I've started and restarted the freaking game so many times you wouldn't believe it. I'm currently playing a CG Berserker dualled to a Thief and will finish the game with this character. It's best to be a neutral character if you want both good and evil NPC's in your party. If you want Edwin, drop Minsc and pick up Valygar; he'll go with ANYONE. So will Haer'Dalis, Jaheira, Anomen, and Jan; all being neutrals. I don't know about Mazzy, but she probably will, too. Aerie will NOT go with either Viconia or Korgan (she leaves on Korgan, from what I've heard), Minsc will not go with Edwin, but the rest I think will stay...as long as your rep doesn't get too high or too low. The "too high" is probably more to be concerned about, in this game, as it's very highly biased towards "good" rather than "evil". I'm playing an "all good" party so it's no real problem for me, but the evil guys WILL leave if rep gets up to 19 or more. There are ways of lowering it, though... For me, the game seemed to be a mishmash of clues that went nowhere, people hinting at stuff and then not delivering the "goods", etc., etc., and a bunch of running around on random quests that made no sense...in other words, I didn't understand any storyline until I got past Chapter 3. After Chapter 3, it starts taking off like a roller coaster. Hang in there! It IS worth it, although it takes forty freaking forevers to get to it. Back to the subject: if you're looking for a "tank" character, try Kensai or Berserker...I personally like Berserker because of the "Enrage" function that virtually makes you immune to any sort of mental or domination attack, or as a Paladin, either Cavalier or Undead Slayer. If you go with a Thief, the Swashbuckler kit is great, except you can't backstab (Swashbuckler is more of a enhanced fighter thief; more like a thief-ranger than anything else.) -Sazerac [ 01-06-2002: Message edited by: Sazerac ] __________________ "And all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams, Are where thy grey eye glances, and where thy footstep gleams, In what ethereal dances, by what eternal streams..."

01-07-2002, 02:09 AM	#16
Arduin Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: June 16, 2001 Location: Ten-Towns Area Posts: 21	Your evil! Now I feel all like playing BG2 over again [img]smile.gif[/img] But thats nothing a trip through Irenicus' Dungeon wont fix... Ermm... Just WHY did they make the beginning so incredibly annoying? __________________ <b>Arduin</b><br /><i>Traveller of the Sword Coast</i>

01-07-2002, 02:16 AM	#17
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 61 Posts: 7,387	quote: Originally posted by Arduin: Your evil! Now I feel all like playing BG2 over again [img]smile.gif[/img] But thats nothing a trip through Irenicus' Dungeon wont fix... Ermm... Just WHY did they make the beginning so incredibly annoying? I've asked myself that 100 times, Arduin. Trust me, all will be revealed in good time...but you have to get past Chapter 3! Cheers, -Sazerac __________________ "And all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams, Are where thy grey eye glances, and where thy footstep gleams, In what ethereal dances, by what eternal streams..."

01-07-2002, 02:57 AM	#18
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	quote: Originally posted by ralph: Then how come when people offer suggestions... they mix the evil and good characters all the time. How will I know if 2 characters are a bad mix... are mazzy and edwin destined to cause each other to leave the party?? that would suck. What should i do. Stop worrying. I've run good/neutral, evil/neutral, and mixed parties through SoA and ToB, and never ran into the conflicts others have. Either I was extremely lucky, or I succeeded because I kept my rep from getting very low or very low with a mixed group. I figured that if anybody complained but stayed, they'd be more likely to get stressed when the party included somebody of the opposite alignment--almost as though that disliked party NPC was somehow responsible for the party's rep predicament. I'm not saying it was easy, but it worked out, and a group that included Aerie, Minsc, Edwin, Korgan, Jan and my PC lived happily...well, they lived, in any case. [ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

01-07-2002, 08:49 AM	#20
Sir Byronas Mephistopheles Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Greece Age: 36 Posts: 1,463	Usually my party is: Me Anomen (or Keldorn if my character is not a Paladin) Aerie Minsc Jan (or Imoen) Jaheira It is your choice! __________________ <br />I\'ve searched the whole world and ended up back in Ironworks. Home sweet home!

01-06-2002, 02:22 PM	#11
Sir Exxon Zartan Join Date: October 15, 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 36 Posts: 5,367	Hmm, Mazzy is lawful good, Edwin is Chaotic Evil. This may be a problem. Lets see, you have cleric, mage, thief and fighters. But only two of the fighters! It would be better to have 3 tankers. So I suggest you use a kensai, and then maybe dual it later to some spellcaster. The kensai/mage is very powerful! see ya!

01-06-2002, 02:24 PM	#12
ralph Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 6, 2002 Location: nj Posts: 21	Then how come when people offer suggestions... they mix the evil and good characters all the time. How will I know if 2 characters are a bad mix... are mazzy and edwin destined to cause each other to leave the party?? that would suck. What should i do.

01-06-2002, 02:29 PM	#13
Sir Exxon Zartan Join Date: October 15, 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 36 Posts: 5,367	Hmm, I dont know if anyone will be forced to leave the party, I just thought that since you have 3 evil characters it might be a problem. Not sure, though. So if you want to follow the sure path, I would suggest that you replace Mazzy with maybe Jaheira or Anomen. Well, not sure about Anomen. He proclaims to be good, but his alignment is lawful neutral. see ya!

01-06-2002, 02:35 PM	#14
ralph Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 6, 2002 Location: nj Posts: 21	ok, so instead of maz, i'll get jaheria. i'll have a decent fighter plus another cleric. perfect. So i guess that means that my main character better be bulked up. What do you think? I hate multiclassing... or dualclassing. I want something pure... what do you think?? i'm thinking maybe an archer.

01-07-2002, 08:34 AM	#19
Kaz Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: August 16, 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,891	I agree, just WHY did they make the beginning so annoying? Couldn't they have added a little prologue BEFORE you get caught by Irenicus? BG1 was much better in that respect, you could walk around, try out your characters, before getting into the action. I've tried very very many characters, but am sticking with the one I made first (an elven archer). Archer is COOL, I agree [img]smile.gif[/img] . What the game lacks is a single-class thief who stays for the whole game, or a single-class non-evil mage (not a problem since you have Edwin). I generally play with an all-good party (rep 20 [img]smile.gif[/img] ), my current party setup is me (Archer), Jaheira, Minsc, Boo , Imoen and Aerie, I'm thinking of picking up Mazzy for a tank.

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