Powergame or Roleplay? - Page 2

Dundee Slaytern · 12-01-2001, 03:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Yggdrasil:
For instance: hide in shadows and pickpocket the opposition. Equip a thief with a decent bow and arrows of dispelling and biting. Suck down a speed potion and you can hammer most mages into the ground. And there are always potions of magic resistance if some silly mage wants to fight back. And scrolls for whatever...an antimagic scroll +use any item +carsomyr will make the toughest battle mage cry for his/her mommy. And you can always run away. No problem, since thieves aren't fighters. Or you can lay a mess of traps, taunt the opposition, and run away. The coward who runs away and returns to dance over an opponent's corpse is nobody's fool.

I am compelled to reply to this portion of the post. If you are playing against the computer Mages, then yes, you can pretty much screw them up since there is a limit to the AI. It is a different story against human-controlled Mages however.

Yggdrasil · 12-01-2001, 03:06 AM

Mr Slaytern: please clarify.

Dundee Slaytern · 12-01-2001, 03:28 AM

Very well, an indepth response.

Stoneskins stop arrows/bullets/bolts cold. Arrows of Dispelling will remove the Stoneskins, but that requires one hit. Thanks to that one hit, that means your Thief has materialise, thus triggering Contingencies and making the Mage use his Spell Trigger. Spell Immunity will be one of those in it, and by choosing immunity to Abjuration classed spells, your Dispel Magic is rendered impotent. Even if I did not have Spell Immunity triggered, any one of the following spell protections will render your arrow attacks useless. Mantle, Improved Mantle, Mislead, Shadow Door, Improved Invisibility, etc... ...

Okay, that settles your Arrows of Dispelling.

Ah yes, Potions of Magic Resistance. Is the Mage done for? Nope. Thanks to Lower Resistance, your Magic Resistance is a moot point.

Protection from Magic scrolls? Hey, I can always stay invisible and wait for ten turns; and forget about using True Sight scrolls with your Use Any Item ability, I can use scrolls too and cast Non-Detection.

You want to use Carsomyr? Well, I could taunt you with Protection from Magical Weapons and do a belly-dance for 3 rounds before casting Time Stop in the fourth round, but I think I will just cast Improved Invisibility instead and cast my Time Stop somewhere safe in peace.

I do not care about your Detect Illusions either, it can dispel illusions, but it cannot dispel invisibility.

Traps? You will have to make me chase after you first and that is highly unlikely, since I have nothing to gain by chasing after you. Mirror Image helps with most traps too.

Yggdrasil · 12-01-2001, 03:56 AM

Stoneskins stop arrows/bullets/bolts cold. Arrows of Dispelling will remove the Stoneskins, but that requires one hit. Thanks to that one hit, that means your Thief has materialised, thus triggering Contingencies and making the Mage use his Spell Trigger. Spell Immunity will be one of those in it, and by choosing immunity to Abjuration classed spells, your Dispel Magic is rendered impotent.

Is that true? Does Spell Immunity render you immune to Arrows of Dispelling?

Even if I did not have Spell Immunity triggered, any one of the following spell protections will render your arrow attacks useless. Mantle, Improved Mantle, Mislead, Shadow Door, Improved Invisibility, etc... ...

Not really. If I'm hammering you with arrow damage you can't can't cast spells, correct? I have plenty of Arrows of Biting, for example. Plus I have tuigan bow. 3 shots per round.

Okay, that settles your Arrows of Dispelling.

Ah yes, Potions of Magic Resistance. Is the Mage done for? Nope. Thanks to Lower Resistance, your Magic Resistance is a moot point.

I can always drink another potion.

Protection from Magic scrolls? Hey, I can always stay invisible and wait for ten turns; and forget about using True Sight scrolls with your Use Any Item ability, I can use scrolls too and cast Non-Detection.

Good point. Except you're presupposing the ineffectiveness of Dispelling Arrows and/or Biting Arrows. As I said, I have the tuigan bow. I also have speed potions. Heh...6 shots per round.

You want to use Carsomyr? Well, I could taunt you with Protection from Magical Weapons and do a belly-dance for 3 rounds before casting Time Stop in the fourth round, but I think I will just cast Improved Invisibility instead and cast my Time Stop somewhere safe in peace.

I do not care about your Detect Illusions either, it can dispel illusions, but it cannot dispel invisibility.

Actually, my detect illusions is a mere 20.

Traps? You will have to make me chase after you first and that is highly unlikely, since I have nothing to gain by chasing after you. Mirror Image helps with most traps too.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Hmmm...we should go one-on-one some time and test these theories

Yggdrasil · 12-01-2001, 04:04 AM

Hmmmm...

I guess you could just cast Remove Magic and then hammer me with attack spells

"Brave Brave Sir Robin Ran Away...."

Dundee Slaytern · 12-01-2001, 04:43 AM

Dude, the spell protections I mentioned are supposed to be in the Contingencies and Spell Trigger.

Any one of them, just any one of them will render your 2nd shot useless.

Oh, and if you keep insisting on drinking your potions, then I can always just Imprison you, or use Prismatic Spray.

12-01-2001, 03:02 AM	#11
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	quote: Originally posted by Yggdrasil: For instance: hide in shadows and pickpocket the opposition. Equip a thief with a decent bow and arrows of dispelling and biting. Suck down a speed potion and you can hammer most mages into the ground. And there are always potions of magic resistance if some silly mage wants to fight back. And scrolls for whatever...an antimagic scroll +use any item +carsomyr will make the toughest battle mage cry for his/her mommy. And you can always run away. No problem, since thieves aren't fighters. Or you can lay a mess of traps, taunt the opposition, and run away. The coward who runs away and returns to dance over an opponent's corpse is nobody's fool. I am compelled to reply to this portion of the post. If you are playing against the computer Mages, then yes, you can pretty much screw them up since there is a limit to the AI. It is a different story against human-controlled Mages however.

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12-01-2001, 03:06 AM	#12
Yggdrasil Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 94	Mr Slaytern: please clarify.

12-01-2001, 03:28 AM	#13
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	Very well, an indepth response. Stoneskins stop arrows/bullets/bolts cold. Arrows of Dispelling will remove the Stoneskins, but that requires one hit. Thanks to that one hit, that means your Thief has materialise, thus triggering Contingencies and making the Mage use his Spell Trigger. Spell Immunity will be one of those in it, and by choosing immunity to Abjuration classed spells, your Dispel Magic is rendered impotent. Even if I did not have Spell Immunity triggered, any one of the following spell protections will render your arrow attacks useless. Mantle, Improved Mantle, Mislead, Shadow Door, Improved Invisibility, etc... ... Okay, that settles your Arrows of Dispelling. Ah yes, Potions of Magic Resistance. Is the Mage done for? Nope. Thanks to Lower Resistance, your Magic Resistance is a moot point. Protection from Magic scrolls? Hey, I can always stay invisible and wait for ten turns; and forget about using True Sight scrolls with your Use Any Item ability, I can use scrolls too and cast Non-Detection. You want to use Carsomyr? Well, I could taunt you with Protection from Magical Weapons and do a belly-dance for 3 rounds before casting Time Stop in the fourth round, but I think I will just cast Improved Invisibility instead and cast my Time Stop somewhere safe in peace. I do not care about your Detect Illusions either, it can dispel illusions, but it cannot dispel invisibility. Traps? You will have to make me chase after you first and that is highly unlikely, since I have nothing to gain by chasing after you. Mirror Image helps with most traps too.

12-01-2001, 03:56 AM	#14
Yggdrasil Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 94	Stoneskins stop arrows/bullets/bolts cold. Arrows of Dispelling will remove the Stoneskins, but that requires one hit. Thanks to that one hit, that means your Thief has materialised, thus triggering Contingencies and making the Mage use his Spell Trigger. Spell Immunity will be one of those in it, and by choosing immunity to Abjuration classed spells, your Dispel Magic is rendered impotent. Is that true? Does Spell Immunity render you immune to Arrows of Dispelling? Even if I did not have Spell Immunity triggered, any one of the following spell protections will render your arrow attacks useless. Mantle, Improved Mantle, Mislead, Shadow Door, Improved Invisibility, etc... ... Not really. If I'm hammering you with arrow damage you can't can't cast spells, correct? I have plenty of Arrows of Biting, for example. Plus I have tuigan bow. 3 shots per round. Okay, that settles your Arrows of Dispelling. Ah yes, Potions of Magic Resistance. Is the Mage done for? Nope. Thanks to Lower Resistance, your Magic Resistance is a moot point. I can always drink another potion. Protection from Magic scrolls? Hey, I can always stay invisible and wait for ten turns; and forget about using True Sight scrolls with your Use Any Item ability, I can use scrolls too and cast Non-Detection. Good point. Except you're presupposing the ineffectiveness of Dispelling Arrows and/or Biting Arrows. As I said, I have the tuigan bow. I also have speed potions. Heh...6 shots per round. You want to use Carsomyr? Well, I could taunt you with Protection from Magical Weapons and do a belly-dance for 3 rounds before casting Time Stop in the fourth round, but I think I will just cast Improved Invisibility instead and cast my Time Stop somewhere safe in peace. I do not care about your Detect Illusions either, it can dispel illusions, but it cannot dispel invisibility. Actually, my detect illusions is a mere 20. Traps? You will have to make me chase after you first and that is highly unlikely, since I have nothing to gain by chasing after you. Mirror Image helps with most traps too.[/QB][/QUOTE] Hmmm...we should go one-on-one some time and test these theories

12-01-2001, 04:04 AM	#15
Yggdrasil Dungeon Master Join Date: November 26, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 94	Hmmmm... I guess you could just cast Remove Magic and then hammer me with attack spells "Brave Brave Sir Robin Ran Away...."

12-01-2001, 04:43 AM	#16
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	Dude, the spell protections I mentioned are supposed to be in the Contingencies and Spell Trigger. Any one of them, just any one of them will render your 2nd shot useless. Oh, and if you keep insisting on drinking your potions, then I can always just Imprison you, or use Prismatic Spray.

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