Matrix reloaded

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If you have got choose between Matrix and X-Men......Become the "One" and choose both! What? you think that's air your breathing? </font>

[ 05-23-2003, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Vaskez]

X-Men 2 and Matrix 2 are completely different and both cool. Go see both you cheapskates

[Timber Loftis]

Or.... go to a matinee and stay all day.

X-Men 2: 7/10 -- SUPPORT MUTANT REGISTRATION!
Matrix 2: 8.5/10 -- THERE IS A SPOON!!

Matrix gets much deeper than the already deep thoughts posed in Matrix 1. The plot will actually get your head spinning a bit. The symbolism is rampant. And, what's not to like about a modified sci-fi Jesus tale with a little bit of philosophy and quantum mechanics sprinkled about?

[Jerome]

I'd give the matrix 3-4/10.

Repetitive actions sequences and fluffy 'bite-sized' philosophy... *shrusg* I just failed to be impressed - thje first one was much better.

[esquire]

Originally posted by Jerome: I'd give the matrix 3-4/10. Repetitive actions sequences and fluffy 'bite-sized' philosophy... *shrusg* I just failed to be impressed - thje first one was much better.

...Taken any blue pills lately?

[the mighty stamar]

I give matrix reloaded 5/10

Too much bad kung fu.

Too much " are we destined to do this" talk.

Not enough cool stuff. The freeway fight scene was nice... not much else.

The tribe in the cave scene made me want to root for the machines definitely.

Honestly, the matrix is just a rip off of the terminator story in its core. A lot less believable also.

[Rimjaw]

In my opinion it was one of the best action/sci-fi movies I've seen but I didn't find it as satisfying as the original.

SPOILERS:

Morpheus talking like the Sphinx. The speech at the Temple of Zion completely did not make sense and did not provide a logical reason why the people should panic. He might as well have said 'Hey, lets dance!'.

Lotsa Sexual content. Rave scene looked like a Ricky Martin video and the Neo/Trinity love scene looked a bit too real. And was the whole chocolate cake scene really necessary? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Neo vs Agent Smith. Didn't live up too the hype. Too hectic, too long and it was kind of superflous since Neo could have flown away from the beginning. Maybe he wanted to impress Trinity. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

IMHO the fight scene at the Merovingian's chateau was the best fight scene. Unlike the Agent Smith scene it was less hectic so you could really admire the fantastic choreography.

Car chase was just beautiful. Everything came together well. At 14 minutes it was neither too long nor too short.

END SPOILER

Anyway, its a great movie so go see it. And make sure you wait until the credits are over so you can see the preview for Revolutions.

[Azred]

Originally posted by Jerome: fluffy 'bite-sized' philosophy

<font color = lightgreen>Philosophy doesn't have to be expounded in 500-page treatises, you know. If you can't get your point across in 100 words or less, then a) you don't understand it enough to extract its essence or b) you're trying to sound like you are intelligent.

A philosophical sound-bite is designed to make you think, which is why the most important Zen lessons are in koans; people misinterpret these as "fortune cookie philosophy". [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font>

Originally posted by Rimjaw: Morpheus talking like the Sphinx. The speech at the Temple of Zion completely did not make sense and did not provide a logical reason why the people should panic. He might as well have said 'Hey, lets dance!'. <font color = lightgreen>He who doesn't mind losing freedom, loses when he doesn't free his mind. [img]tongue.gif[/img] The cave speech was to motivate the people to not give up hope in the face of danger...but yes, it was a little hokey.</font> Lotsa Sexual content. Rave scene looked like a Ricky Martin video and the Neo/Trinity love scene looked a bit too real. And was the whole chocolate cake scene really necessary? <font color = lightgreen>Isn't the Merovingian entitled to a little perverse fun? It's all he has, after all....</font> Neo vs Agent Smith. Didn't live up too the hype. Too hectic, too long and it was kind of superflous since Neo could have flown away from the beginning. Maybe he wanted to impress Trinity. <font color = lightgreen>How do you propose to stop Smith by flying away all the time?</font> IMHO the fight scene at the Merovingian's chateau was the best fight scene. Unlike the Agent Smith scene it was less hectic so you could really admire the fantastic choreography. Car chase was just beautiful. Everything came together well. At 14 minutes it was neither too long nor too short. <font color = lightgreen>I agree.</font>

[ 05-25-2003, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Azred ]

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Azred: <font color = lightgreen>Philosophy doesn't have to be expounded in 500-page treatises, you know. If you can't get your point across in 100 words or less, then a) you don't understand it enough to extract its essence or b) you're trying to sound like you are intelligent. A philosophical sound-bite is designed to make you think, which is why the most important Zen lessons are in koans; people misinterpret these as "fortune cookie philosophy". [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font>

It wasn't the actual 'size' of the philosophy in question I was criticising - it was the content. By 'bite-sized' I meant 'easily digestible by the lowest common denominator'. One or two unoriginal philosophical concepts thrown in to make it seem like a 'thinking-man's' action movie. In essence, it isn't. It's another kung-fu clone in a slightly more origial setting, to a more interesting backdrop.

When I see people telling me that it was "deep", I have to differ. I get the sincere feeling that the little ideas about control and choice, etc, were designed to make it seem like more than it was.

That said - any move which gets the general public thinking has my repect. It just didn't bring up any new questions in *my* mind, hence my cuurent opinon of it.

[ 05-25-2003, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Jerome ]

[Azred]

Originally posted by Jerome: It wasn't the actual 'size' of the philosophy in question I was criticising - it was the content. By 'bite-sized' I meant 'easily digestible by the lowest common denominator'. <font color = lightgreen>How better than "bite-sized" and "easily digestible" to phrase a philosophy so that more people will understand it? [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] </font> One or two unoriginal philosophical concepts thrown in to make it seem like a 'thinking-man's' action movie. In essence, it isn't. It's another kung-fu clone in a slightly more origial setting, to a more interesting backdrop. <font color = lightgreen>I challenge anyone to come up with an original philosophical concept that hasn't already been discovered during the last 5000 years of civilization. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img] To say that "Matrix: Reloaded" is another kung-fu clone is like saying "Blade Runner" was just another cop movie....</font> When I see people telling me that it was "deep", I have to differ. I get the sincere feeling that the little ideas about control and choice, etc, were designed to make it seem like more than it was. <font color = lightgreen>It's okay to differ. However, how do you know that you have free will or choice? Look at all the ways in which others control you in your daily life: work, friends, family, etc. We all allow others to control us in some ways, because a little control can be a good thing.</font> That said - any move which gets the general public thinking has my repect. It just didn't bring up any new questions in *my* mind, hence my cuurent opinon of it. <font color = lightgreen>I wholeheartedly agree. Of course, most people went just to see some Agents get their butts kicked.</font>