I wonder if Drizzt is stronger that saerovak

[SixOfSpades]

Personally, I don't know how you EVER managed to get Sarevok to beat Drizzt. In-game, I have NEVER heard anyone claiming to have beat Drizzt by any method other than taking advantage of the game's poor AI (oh, wait...I must correct myself....there was that one guy who claimed to have killed Drizzt in a fair fight, using only his four-person Level 2 party....right). He is, for all intents and purposes, unbeatable in standard BG1.

Sarevok, on the other hand, is pretty much a pushover. On one of my games, I managed to whack his goons without even scratching Sarevok himself, so I set up a nice little duel: My main character (Tank) drank every buffing potion under the sun (no spells), and took Sarevok mano a mano. He had over halp his HP left when Sarevok hit the floor. If I'd tried that with Drizzt, I'd have lasted about 9 seconds.

[TheVulcanAndroid]

Well, they both went into attack mode at the same time. :|

Perhaps their actual stats would be helpful, but I don't have any fancy schmancy tools to check on those. I'll certainly run more trials, since 3-4 hits isn't a large margin for Sarevok to have won by. They both seemed to be scoring hits without problem, though, so perhaps Sarevok has a nice enough THAC0 to hit Drizzt (who is wearing "only" +4 chainmail and +3/2 Scimitar (or does he use the frostbrand unless it's pocketed from him???)) but not a PC with -12 (or -13) and numerous buffs.
And perhaps he's doing enough damage to beat Drizzt's damage by a small margin. Drizzt on the other hand might have an extremely low THAC0, but not with enough damage to quite get Sarevok before he is defeated? Maybe the cheat created Drizzt has different stats (though Sarevok is spawned like he is supposed to spawn in game).

And other than mass summoning I haven't heard of anyone whacking Drizzt either. At least, legitimately.

Edit: Grammar mistake.

[ 08-06-2003, 03:11 AM: Message edited by: TheVulcanAndroid ]

[TheVulcanAndroid]

Ok.

10 Rematches.

Drizzt.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Sarevok.
Drizzt.
Sarevok.
Sarevok (this time he even decided to go for me right off instead of Drizzt, who scored a few hits in).

So it seems that Drizzt gets WAY more hits in, but Sarevok's damage is the mustard cutter.

Still, I would like to see the stats to check my hypothesis out.

[Sonic]

Did you read Belt is the flaming fist general and hes lvl 19 fighter and kills me easy as hell

[Myrddin L'argenton]

Originally posted by Sonic: Did you read Belt is the flaming fist general and hes lvl 19 fighter and kills me easy as hell

Belt isn't the Flaming Fist general, that's another one (forgot his name this moment) but he's the one that sends you to Candlekeep. I would say though, that Belt would be thrashed by Saervok because you have to have a battle, in which you try and keep two of the dukes alive whilst Saervok is attacking them. I would have said that Drizzt is better than Saervok though.

[True_Moose]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: Personally, I don't know how you EVER managed to get Sarevok to beat Drizzt. In-game, I have NEVER heard anyone claiming to have beat Drizzt by any method other than taking advantage of the game's poor AI (oh, wait...I must correct myself....there was that one guy who claimed to have killed Drizzt in a fair fight, using only his four-person Level 2 party....right).

I beat him once legitimately, with a sneaky tactic: Throwing Axe +2, stockpiled potions of invisibility, and Boots of Speed. [img]smile.gif[/img] Long, arduous, and boring, but it worked. It was a ranger, if you were wondering.

[andrewas]

Originally posted by Myrddin L'argenton: quote: Originally posted by Sonic: Did you read Belt is the flaming fist general and hes lvl 19 fighter and kills me easy as hell

Belt isn't the Flaming Fist general, that's another one (forgot his name this moment) but he's the one that sends you to Candlekeep. I would say though, that Belt would be thrashed by Saervok because you have to have a battle, in which you try and keep two of the dukes alive whilst Saervok is attacking them. I would have said that Drizzt is better than Saervok though. [/QUOTE]Duke Eltan is the flaming fist general, but all four should be of roughly the same power. Remember that neither of the dukes present at that battle are in anything approaching the gear they would use normaly. If those characters exist in any of the books they will be around the same strength as Eltan. The BG version is balanced for plot demands.

Stats:

Belt:

Level 11 Human Fighter

STR:17
DEX:12
CON:16
INT:12
WIS:15
CHA:15

102 HP, carries a Bastard Sword +1, Chain +1, Medium Shield +1. Grandmastery in Large Swords, 40% physical resistance.

Sarevok:

Lvl 15 Human Sarevok. (He has his own specific class. Probably a beefed up fighter)

STR:18/100
DEX:18
CON:17
INT:14
WIS:12
CHA:13

300HP, carries the Helm of Sarevok, ring MAGE06, dunno what that does, A ring of protection +2, A standard 2H sword and a Sword of Chaos+5 in the backpack, Grandmastery in Large Swords, 90% elemental resist, 90% missile resist, all saves are at 1, intrinisic AC is -1.

Drizzt:

Level 16 Elf Innocent (Another special class, I have no idea why Drizzt is using it)

STR:13
DEX:20
CON:15
INT:17
WIS:17
CHA:14

92 HP, carries a standard helm, Mithlil Chain +4, Scimitar +5 (defender), Scimitar +3 (frostbrand), custom Boots of Speed, and somethign called DRIZZTS(skull) that is probably there to act like dual-weilded scimitars, since the actual swords are in the gauntlet and amulet slots. Intrinisic AC is -10. APR is 10. Saves are low, 98% magic resist, 30% physical resist, no stealth ability which is weird for a supposed ranger, grandmastery in everything.

[ 08-10-2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: andrewas ]

[TheVulcanAndroid]

Ah, so it was the hp. I guess that would explain why Sarevok survived Gorion. I forgot to take that into account before. Thanks a bunch for those stats, Andrewas. Very helpful. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ryaldin]

Hmmm...I once beat drizzt with an evil party, and in my opinion, without taking advantage of poor AI. I had the PC (Level 4 or 5 illusionist), xzar, kagin, sharteel, vicona and montaron in a party together. Every person in the party was using missie weapons (of course). Xzar cast flame arrow three times, as did the PC (who was alternating between that and using the wand of monster summoning to generate some cannon fodder). Also, Vicona had all her level...3 i think, priest spells set to animate dead, and therefore also generated some hefty amounts of fodder. The skeletons seemed to last a little bit longer against drizzt than the war dogs and hobgoblins did. In the end i had maybe a skeleton or two left who were fighting drizzt and half a dozen hobgoblins in moral failure running around the map. Incedentally, it was my pc who killed drizzt...with a plain old sling, and a plain old bullet on a critical hit. But, aside from being an outrageously unfair battle (80-to-1 or so), i don't really think it's wrong to use the tools that the game provides to beat drizzt...do you?

[Sythe]

Originally posted by ryaldin: Hmmm...I once beat drizzt with an evil party, and in my opinion, without taking advantage of poor AI. I had the PC (Level 4 or 5 illusionist), xzar, kagin, sharteel, vicona and montaron in a party together. Every person in the party was using missie weapons (of course). Xzar cast flame arrow three times, as did the PC (who was alternating between that and using the wand of monster summoning to generate some cannon fodder). Also, Vicona had all her level...3 i think, priest spells set to animate dead, and therefore also generated some hefty amounts of fodder. The skeletons seemed to last a little bit longer against drizzt than the war dogs and hobgoblins did. In the end i had maybe a skeleton or two left who were fighting drizzt and half a dozen hobgoblins in moral failure running around the map. Incedentally, it was my pc who killed drizzt...with a plain old sling, and a plain old bullet on a critical hit. But, aside from being an outrageously unfair battle (80-to-1 or so), i don't really think it's wrong to use the tools that the game provides to beat drizzt...do you?

I did the exact same thing to defeat Do'Urden. And the same tactic to take down Sarevok.