so cheesy.. so very cheesy (spoiler alert)

[SixOfSpades]

It's not the question of whether or not they can be beaten (especially by another big hunk of Weimer cheese) that I find amusing, but rather the fact that any one of these bozos would take Improved Yaga-Shura to the flippin' cleaners six times before breakfast.

[savuti]

It's understandable to make one think twice before doing a kamikaze charge into a group of those improved Fire Giants, but what's odd about them is since when did Fire Giants have the innate ability to bring forth a Firestorm?

Interestingly enough i experimented with Sola equipped with FOA and Answerer using stoneskin, scroll of fire resist, potion of invulnerability and PfMW; sometimes we can cut down two of them, but other times we get hammered. Their lower fire resistance along with fireball like damage every freaking hit are mean. Timestops, GWW with the aformentioned buffs then cutting them down with Ravager worked pretty efficiently too.

[ 03-31-2005, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: savuti ]

[whathuh]

oo, I forgot about insta-kills. Frankly, I never use them. I like thieves way too much I suppose.

And yes, I think it is VERY funny that Yaga-Shura is weaker than his fire giant lackeys. Though, one of Yaga-Shura's powers is that he is unkillable, so what happens then? I think it really would be a draw, because Yaga-Shura can't dish out damage fast enough to counter Fire Giant regeneration, but that's just me. Oh my, I just had a horrible thought--what if Yaga-Shura was as powerful as his buddies AND practically invulnerable. Sounds like something weimer would do...

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by whathuh: Though, one of Yaga-Shura's powers is that he is unkillable, so what happens then?

Everything hinges on whether or not BioWare put a MINHP1 item on pre-Nyalee Yaga-Shura. Before you remove his invulnerability, he's simply immune to everything you can do, so a MINHP1 item would have been superfluous. But Weimer's Fire Giants can and will Lower Fire Resistance, and therefore constitute a very real threat to the guy who's supposed to be invincible.
Imagine what could happen if you Charmed one or two of them?

[Sir Goulum]

Can you? I mean, they're not immune to that or something?

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Mm... Does MINHP1 protect against INT drain? Because I distinctly recall killing him with that despite the so-called invulnerability.

Never mind that a mind flayer would never be able to reach the head of a fire giant that didn't want to be brain drained. I'm not one to quibble over technicalities.

[Froberg]

Never had problems with the giants.. :S

Infact, I killed demogorgon in 10-15 seconds of combat and my entire party hat lost maybe 10 HP each.

[K2Grey]

Are you certain that you are fighting the right giants? This is the Tactics version of the giants who shoot Fire Storms out of their arse...

[SixOfSpades]

A MINHP1 item prevents that creature from ever losing its last hitpoint--Imoen's Belt is an example. The only way to kill a creature wearing such an item is through stat (and possibly level) drain, so yes, a Mind Flayer would have no problems killing the 'invulnerable' Yaga-Shura, although that's a dandy way to screw up the plot.

[whathuh]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades that's a dandy way to screw up the plot.

quite. Also note that you get no exp for stat killing.

Hah, I hadn't realized that Yaga-Shura didn't have on a minhp. Thats kind of funny.