To everyone who has played ToB as well: - Page 2

Tancred · 02-07-2002, 05:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Karli:
Yeah, In games as in real life.

There are a lot of people named John.

I think more than two!

Karli

No, not at all. If Forgotten Realms are *fantasy* universes - which they are - then even trivial things like having two people named John are significant to the story!

Mr-Creed · 02-09-2002, 09:41 AM

Thats interesting about Sendai.
If Drizzt can come back from the dead, why couldnt she?

Link · 02-10-2002, 03:33 PM

Remember though, that it is Jon Irenicus, and not John! [img]smile.gif[/img] Obviously there is a link to R/L but then again; fantasy characters always have different names... How to pronounce them is often not an issue in games, just type them, and let the gamers solve that problem [img]smile.gif[/img]

Tancred · 02-10-2002, 04:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by J'aran:
Yep, Prism was talking about Ellesime the Elven Queen.

Possible minor SoA story-spoiler
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>As for Irenicus' wife - or at least his lover: you'll know if you've played SoA, that very same Ellesime. I don't think they were actually married, but that's just a minor inconsistency due to the fact that the story for SoA was obviously not fully written when they put the Spider-Woman in BG1.

In a further twist, Irenicus' Dungeon in Athkatla has a beautifully-decorated room inside, which Imoen recalls is 'for a lost love, kept in perfect condition'. Obviously Ellesime. And yet when entered, an alarm activates two Golems to defend it, one of whom says 'The chambers of the Master's Wife have been violated.' WERE they married, or is this just some strange quirk in Irenicus' head that makes him believe they were?

J'aran · 02-11-2002, 07:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Tancred:
In a further twist, Irenicus' Dungeon in Athkatla has a beautifully-decorated room inside, which Imoen recalls is 'for a lost love, kept in perfect condition'. Obviously Ellesime. And yet when entered, an alarm activates two Golems to defend it, one of whom says 'The chambers of the Master's Wife have been violated.' WERE they married, or is this just some strange quirk in Irenicus' head that makes him believe they were?

I'm inclined to say that it's a little twist in his brains. He's pretty f#$ked up because of losing his 'Elfness', and IIRC it is clearly stated in the game, more than once, that he and Ellesime were lovers. Nothing about being married other than those Golems you mentioned.

And Link, to be totally accurate, his official name is Jonaleth (or Joneleth, not sure). He only became Irenicus, 'Shattered One', after his longevity was taken away, subsequently forcing him to live as a Human.

[ 02-11-2002: Message edited by: J'aran ]

J'aran · 02-11-2002, 07:18 AM

Oh, and Mr-Creed, there's no connection, except for the name, between the Sendai from BG1 and the Sendai from ToB. The first is a Human, and the second is a Drow.

antonius · 02-11-2002, 03:01 PM

I'm pretty sure that there was some kind of competition to have player's characters in BG2 (I think the guy who chucks his scimitar at you in the docks is one), but not heard of it in BG - likely to be some of the staff/play-testers etc in though.

One question - WTF is Dradeel doing when you finish the Cloakwood mines? There's no other bits of narration like that, and if it's really required, why use an existing character name?

Incidently, if you use the Baldurdash dialog fix the spider woman's speach is changed so that the name of the arch-mage is Irenicus.

Beaumanoir · 02-11-2002, 03:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Link:
I see conspiracies everywhere! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well That's Stupid!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's Like Getting Scared If You Meet Two People Called James!

Lavindathar · 02-11-2002, 06:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Beaumanoir:

Well That's Stupid!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's Like Getting Scared If You Meet Two People Called James!

Lol. It's not that bad!!!!!!

02-07-2002, 05:34 PM	#11
Tancred White Dragon Join Date: April 1, 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,893	quote: Originally posted by Karli: Yeah, In games as in real life. There are a lot of people named John. I think more than two! Karli No, not at all. If Forgotten Realms are fantasy universes - which they are - then even trivial things like having two people named John are significant to the story! __________________ \"HELP! I\'ve superglued myself to a flaming bowling ball!\"

02-10-2002, 03:33 PM	#13
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 41 Posts: 5,888	Remember though, that it is Jon Irenicus, and not John! [img]smile.gif[/img] Obviously there is a link to R/L but then again; fantasy characters always have different names... How to pronounce them is often not an issue in games, just type them, and let the gamers solve that problem [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

02-10-2002, 04:42 PM	#14
Tancred White Dragon Join Date: April 1, 2001 Location: UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,893	quote: Originally posted by J'aran: Yep, Prism was talking about Ellesime the Elven Queen. Possible minor SoA story-spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . >As for Irenicus' wife - or at least his lover: you'll know if you've played SoA, that very same Ellesime. I don't think they were actually married, but that's just a minor inconsistency due to the fact that the story for SoA was obviously not fully written when they put the Spider-Woman in BG1. In a further twist, Irenicus' Dungeon in Athkatla has a beautifully-decorated room inside, which Imoen recalls is 'for a lost love, kept in perfect condition'. Obviously Ellesime. And yet when entered, an alarm activates two Golems to defend it, one of whom says 'The chambers of the Master's Wife have been violated.' WERE they married, or is this just some strange quirk in Irenicus' head that makes him believe they were? __________________ \"HELP! I\'ve superglued myself to a flaming bowling ball!\"

02-11-2002, 07:15 AM	#15
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 1,493	quote: Originally posted by Tancred: In a further twist, Irenicus' Dungeon in Athkatla has a beautifully-decorated room inside, which Imoen recalls is 'for a lost love, kept in perfect condition'. Obviously Ellesime. And yet when entered, an alarm activates two Golems to defend it, one of whom says 'The chambers of the Master's Wife have been violated.' WERE they married, or is this just some strange quirk in Irenicus' head that makes him believe they were? I'm inclined to say that it's a little twist in his brains. He's pretty f#$ked up because of losing his 'Elfness', and IIRC it is clearly stated in the game, more than once, that he and Ellesime were lovers. Nothing about being married other than those Golems you mentioned. And Link, to be totally accurate, his official name is Jonaleth (or Joneleth, not sure). He only became Irenicus, 'Shattered One', after his longevity was taken away, subsequently forcing him to live as a Human. [ 02-11-2002: Message edited by: J'aran ]

02-11-2002, 03:20 PM	#18
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 36 Posts: 4,896	quote: Originally posted by Link: I see conspiracies everywhere! [img]smile.gif[/img] Well That's Stupid!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's Like Getting Scared If You Meet Two People Called James! __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

02-09-2002, 09:41 AM	#12
Mr-Creed Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 28, 2002 Location: right here Posts: 16	Thats interesting about Sendai. If Drizzt can come back from the dead, why couldnt she?

02-11-2002, 07:18 AM	#16
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 1,493	Oh, and Mr-Creed, there's no connection, except for the name, between the Sendai from BG1 and the Sendai from ToB. The first is a Human, and the second is a Drow.

02-11-2002, 03:01 PM	#17
antonius Zhentarim Guard Join Date: May 14, 2001 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 384	I'm pretty sure that there was some kind of competition to have player's characters in BG2 (I think the guy who chucks his scimitar at you in the docks is one), but not heard of it in BG - likely to be some of the staff/play-testers etc in though. One question - WTF is Dradeel doing when you finish the Cloakwood mines? There's no other bits of narration like that, and if it's really required, why use an existing character name? Incidently, if you use the Baldurdash dialog fix the spider woman's speach is changed so that the name of the arch-mage is Irenicus.

02-11-2002, 06:45 PM	#19
Lavindathar Harper Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Lancs, England Age: 40 Posts: 4,729	quote: Originally posted by Beaumanoir: Well That's Stupid!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's Like Getting Scared If You Meet Two People Called James! Lol. It's not that bad!!!!!! __________________ =@

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