Quick question about the Shadow Dragon Armor - Page 2

super_smasher3 · 03-14-2003, 09:19 PM

Uh, mages have plenty of chances when they get to be good. Letting them use armor would make them too powerful.

Gangrell · 03-14-2003, 09:24 PM

There's no such thing as a mage that's too powerful. Get a Wizard Slayer to cut through their protections and they're toast [img]tongue.gif[/img]

karlosovic · 03-15-2003, 07:51 AM

not if they can also wear full plate +2

super_smasher3 · 03-15-2003, 12:47 PM

Exactly ^^^^^^

Arias De'Minal · 03-15-2003, 02:14 PM

IF you think about it, a mage with armor would be near indistructability, godlike, even, but there are plenty of protection spells that should keep them happy. one spell trigger and BAM instant armor, stoneskin, ect.

Xero279 · 03-15-2003, 02:54 PM

they need some more good mage equp, i agree.

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The armor dropped by the black dragon is excellent for multi/dual classed mages,but you get it at the end of the game! its totally worthless except for a few battles.. that is, for those of us who dont have ToB

Annatar · 03-15-2003, 03:17 PM

You mean the Dragon in the Baator? Wich drops *Robe of the Evil Archmagi*... ?

SixOfSpades · 03-15-2003, 11:01 PM

No, Xero was talking about the Dragon in Suldenessellar.

A Mage in Full Plate (even assuming he could still cast spells) wouldn't be more dangerous at all, considering that most dangerous enemies can just punch right through it anyway. Sure, it'll protect you from your run-of-the-mill Goblins and the like, but you'll still take Critical hits which mess up your spells and (given that you're a Wizard) pose a serious threat to your hitpoints. Besides, you can't really Tank unless your Saving Throws, THAC0, and Attacks per Round are on a par with your AC, so just wearing some spiffy armor is *not* going to turn your Sorcerer into a juggernaut, even with Tenser's Transformation.

Fighter/Mages, on the other hand......

Armor, Shield, Ghost Armor, Spirit Armor. All provide Mages with some form of base AC bonus. Ever seen anybody actually cast one of them? Me neither.

Gangrell · 03-16-2003, 12:57 AM

No, a mage with the infamous Incarnadine Armor would be considered indestructable

With this, you get the best of the Red D and Elven Chain mail armor, probably the best armor for a wizard to get.

Incarnadine Chain Mail Armor

Forged at Gangrell's request by interlocking red dragon scales with a suit of enchanted elven chain mail, the Incarnadine Elven Chain provides a superior combination of protection and freedom of movement. Rogues and wizards can still practice their trades while wearing this light suit of armor.

STATISTICS:

Fire Resistance: 25% bonus
Stealth: 10% Penalty
Lockpicking: 5% Penalty
Find/Remove Traps: 5% Penalty
Pick Pockets: 20% Penalty
Armor Class: 0
Weight: 15
Requires: 5 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Mage

[ 03-16-2003, 12:57 AM: Message edited by: Gangrell ]

SixOfSpades · 03-16-2003, 08:21 PM

Sure, the Asylferund Chain and Incarnadine Chain are nice, but no way in *hell* are they anything compared to the Robe of Vecna. I think the only time I'll wear the Incarnadine is with my all-Mage party:

PC: (Male Gnomish Fighter/Illusionist): I'll already be immune to Normal weapons, so there's no need for Asylferund--switch between Armor of the Hart and Incarnadine.
Aerie: Enhanced Robe of the Good Archmagi
Jan: Enhanced Robe of the Neutral Archmagi
Kelsey: Robe of Vecna
Edwin: Enhanced Robe of the Evil Archmagi
Nalia: Enhanced Robe of the Good Archmagi

03-14-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
super_smasher3 Dungeon Master Join Date: February 14, 2003 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 35 Posts: 76	Uh, mages have plenty of chances when they get to be good. Letting them use armor would make them too powerful. __________________ For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever belives in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

03-15-2003, 07:51 AM	#13
karlosovic Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: December 1, 2002 Location: Newcastle, Australia Age: 47 Posts: 636	not if they can also wear full plate +2 __________________ Sunglasses of Coolness +2<br /><br />Cernd: \"It is with great pride and pleasure that I accept this Most Valuable Player award....\"<br />(from the genius of Six of Spades)

03-15-2003, 12:47 PM	#14
super_smasher3 Dungeon Master Join Date: February 14, 2003 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 35 Posts: 76	Exactly ^^^^^^ __________________ For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever belives in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

03-15-2003, 02:14 PM	#15
Arias De'Minal Manshoon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Ky Age: 46 Posts: 166	IF you think about it, a mage with armor would be near indistructability, godlike, even, but there are plenty of protection spells that should keep them happy. one spell trigger and BAM instant armor, stoneskin, ect. __________________ IGNORANCE IS POWER

03-15-2003, 02:54 PM	#16
Xero279 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,360	they need some more good mage equp, i agree. spoiler * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The armor dropped by the black dragon is excellent for multi/dual classed mages,but you get it at the end of the game! its totally worthless except for a few battles.. that is, for those of us who dont have ToB __________________ <br /> <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[music04]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/music04.gif\" /> Live to Rock, Rock to Live <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[rocking2]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/rocking2.gif\" /> <br />[url]\"http://www.livejournal.com/users/Xero279\" target=\"_blank\">...From The Mind of Xero</a>

03-14-2003, 09:24 PM	#12
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	There's no such thing as a mage that's too powerful. Get a Wizard Slayer to cut through their protections and they're toast [img]tongue.gif[/img]

03-15-2003, 03:17 PM	#17
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	You mean the Dragon in the Baator? Wich drops Robe of the Evil Archmagi... ? __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

03-15-2003, 11:01 PM	#18
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	No, Xero was talking about the Dragon in Suldenessellar. A Mage in Full Plate (even assuming he could still cast spells) wouldn't be more dangerous at all, considering that most dangerous enemies can just punch right through it anyway. Sure, it'll protect you from your run-of-the-mill Goblins and the like, but you'll still take Critical hits which mess up your spells and (given that you're a Wizard) pose a serious threat to your hitpoints. Besides, you can't really Tank unless your Saving Throws, THAC0, and Attacks per Round are on a par with your AC, so just wearing some spiffy armor is not going to turn your Sorcerer into a juggernaut, even with Tenser's Transformation. Fighter/Mages, on the other hand...... Armor, Shield, Ghost Armor, Spirit Armor. All provide Mages with some form of base AC bonus. Ever seen anybody actually cast* one of them? Me neither.* __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

03-16-2003, 12:57 AM	#19
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	No, a mage with the infamous Incarnadine Armor would be considered indestructable With this, you get the best of the Red D and Elven Chain mail armor, probably the best armor for a wizard to get. Incarnadine Chain Mail Armor Forged at Gangrell's request by interlocking red dragon scales with a suit of enchanted elven chain mail, the Incarnadine Elven Chain provides a superior combination of protection and freedom of movement. Rogues and wizards can still practice their trades while wearing this light suit of armor. STATISTICS: Fire Resistance: 25% bonus Stealth: 10% Penalty Lockpicking: 5% Penalty Find/Remove Traps: 5% Penalty Pick Pockets: 20% Penalty Armor Class: 0 Weight: 15 Requires: 5 Strength Not Usable By: Druid Mage [ 03-16-2003, 12:57 AM: Message edited by: Gangrell ]

03-16-2003, 08:21 PM	#20
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Sure, the Asylferund Chain and Incarnadine Chain are nice, but no way in hell are they anything compared to the Robe of Vecna. I think the only time I'll wear the Incarnadine is with my all-Mage party: PC: (Male Gnomish Fighter/Illusionist): I'll already be immune to Normal weapons, so there's no need for Asylferund--switch between Armor of the Hart and Incarnadine. Aerie: Enhanced Robe of the Good Archmagi Jan: Enhanced Robe of the Neutral Archmagi Kelsey: Robe of Vecna Edwin: Enhanced Robe of the Evil Archmagi Nalia: Enhanced Robe of the Good Archmagi __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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