Racism in BG??? (spoiler) - Page 2

Sodomatic Goat · 11-12-2002, 02:51 AM

Yeah I did all that, but Irenicus didn't send any thieves, no thieves showed up at all, I only fought mirrors of my own party.....

Seraph · 11-12-2002, 04:45 AM

After that he says "Why am I wasteing my time here...blah...blah...blah"
Then he sends in some minions (thiefs) to keep you busy while he makes his escape.

Tyrion · 11-12-2002, 05:20 AM

The order of the radiant heart are racists...they don't allow anyone but humans to join...

Sodomatic Goat · 11-12-2002, 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by Seraph:
After that he says "Why am I wasteing my time here...blah...blah...blah"
Then he sends in some minions (thiefs) to keep you busy while he makes his escape.

yeah but noone showed up! End of story! I hate Yoshimo, even though he was forced to do it!

Dundee Slaytern · 11-12-2002, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Sodomatic Goat:
yeah but noone showed up! End of story! I hate Yoshimo, even though he was forced to do it!

Well... they are invisible until they attack and backstab you, so it is possible that you walked out of the area not knowing that there are 6-7 invisible Thieves chasing after you.

Sodomatic Goat · 11-12-2002, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
Well... they are invisible until they attack and backstab you, so it is possible that you walked out of the area not knowing that there are 6-7 invisible Thieves chasing after you.[/QB]

I seriously doubt that, I walked around looking for loot and hidden treasures for quite some time....
Well I don't understand it... I try to do something different next time I'll play...

ronan · 11-12-2002, 06:43 AM

Not only is it racist but it favours the hirsute as well, I mean BALDur's Gate, oh yeah lets have a laugh at those folicley challenged.
While we're at it what about the poor doors? I mean it has to be a gate and all we ever do to the poor doors? Force them or pick (on) them! Why wasn't it Neverwinter Doors? Surely it was their turn.
Don't even get me started on Black Isle. Jees surely non-determined race Isle would have been much more appropriate.
I am off to search for more ridiculously, tenuosly linked examples of prejudice in games.
Oh and by the way I neither noticed nor cared whether Anomen was black, white, blue, pink or yellow-go-pink.
Get a life!

Sazerac · 11-12-2002, 11:04 AM

Sorry, but the racism argument is simply not tenable. Two of the extremely "good" characters in the Baldur's Gate series are persons of color: Dynaheir from BG1 and Valygar from BG2. AFAICT, Anomen simply has an olive tan, typical for someone growing up in a semi-tropical climate. (Brynnlaw's not that far south, and it's DEFINITELY tropical, as is Tethyr).

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Yes, Yoshimo "betrays" you, but he's hardly to blame; Irenicus captured him and placed a "Geas" on him which forced him to take the actions that he did. By returning his heart to the Temple of Ilmater, you undo the Geas that was placed upon it and free his soul.

Should we consider BG2 to be racist because Black Isle made "elves" the bad guys (Bodhi and Irenicus)?

-Sazerac

Keraptisdm · 11-12-2002, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrion:
The order of the radiant heart are racists...they don't allow anyone but humans to join...

That's because in 1st and 2nd edition DnD rules, only humans can be paladins. The Order is an organization of Paladins.

Morgeruat · 11-12-2002, 03:20 PM

yes I belive there's an interesting debate about that in the game (if u have Keldorn, I forget who the other person is)

11-12-2002, 02:51 AM	#11
Sodomatic Goat Manshoon Join Date: October 31, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 46 Posts: 170	Yeah I did all that, but Irenicus didn't send any thieves, no thieves showed up at all, I only fought mirrors of my own party..... __________________ Never underestimate the power of the darkside...

11-12-2002, 05:20 AM	#13
Tyrion Quintesson Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: straight outta Kålltorp Age: 38 Posts: 1,081	The order of the radiant heart are racists...they don't allow anyone but humans to join... __________________ ...with the Bible and the Uzi as weapons

11-12-2002, 06:43 AM	#17
ronan The Magister Join Date: November 13, 2001 Location: London Posts: 126	Not only is it racist but it favours the hirsute as well, I mean BALDur's Gate, oh yeah lets have a laugh at those folicley challenged. While we're at it what about the poor doors? I mean it has to be a gate and all we ever do to the poor doors? Force them or pick (on) them! Why wasn't it Neverwinter Doors? Surely it was their turn. Don't even get me started on Black Isle. Jees surely non-determined race Isle would have been much more appropriate. I am off to search for more ridiculously, tenuosly linked examples of prejudice in games. Oh and by the way I neither noticed nor cared whether Anomen was black, white, blue, pink or yellow-go-pink. Get a life! __________________ \" So I kicked him in the head \'til he was dead!\"

11-12-2002, 11:04 AM	#18
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 61 Posts: 7,387	Sorry, but the racism argument is simply not tenable. Two of the extremely "good" characters in the Baldur's Gate series are persons of color: Dynaheir from BG1 and Valygar from BG2. AFAICT, Anomen simply has an olive tan, typical for someone growing up in a semi-tropical climate. (Brynnlaw's not that far south, and it's DEFINITELY tropical, as is Tethyr). SPOILER INFORMATION > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Yoshimo "betrays" you, but he's hardly to blame; Irenicus captured him and placed a "Geas" on him which forced him to take the actions that he did. By returning his heart to the Temple of Ilmater, you undo the Geas that was placed upon it and free his soul. Should we consider BG2 to be racist because Black Isle made "elves" the bad guys (Bodhi and Irenicus)? -Sazerac __________________ "And all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams, Are where thy grey eye glances, and where thy footstep gleams, In what ethereal dances, by what eternal streams..."

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11-12-2002, 04:45 AM	#12
Seraph Quintesson Join Date: September 12, 2001 Location: Ewing, NJ Age: 43 Posts: 1,079	After that he says "Why am I wasteing my time here...blah...blah...blah" Then he sends in some minions (thiefs) to keep you busy while he makes his escape.

11-12-2002, 03:20 PM	#20
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 5,421	yes I belive there's an interesting debate about that in the game (if u have Keldorn, I forget who the other person is)

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