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Holywarrior, in a pure democracy everyone would be just people. AFAIK the difference between republic and democracy is that a republic is ruled by law. And if the law includes veto power so be it. BUT a republic is still a representative government. And all democracies in the west are in fact republics since they all are representative governments, not ruled by the mob. Rome would then be the last tru democracy. OK Mousy-boy, you have a point there. Did you get to vote on vetos for certain countries in regards to the EU?
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06-29-2003, 04:47 PM | #12 | |
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Should they export republic instead [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Hi Willow! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img]
The reason veto power was given to the Executive was to prevent tyrrany of the masses. Just because a majority of the People want something does not mean it is good for them or all of them. The Legislature, tasked with shaping the country was not entirely trusted to be always benign. Nor was the Executive for that matter. That is where the Judiciary is intended to be a brake on the other two. Should a law get passed that violates the basic rights of the People, *cough*PatriotAct*cough* then the People have the right and duty to try it's Constitutionality in the Courts. If the Judiciary finds misdeeds, it sends the offending law back to the Legislature for re-evaluation.
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Should they export republic instead [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]We the People are not ..... the neveau nobility that has been upsurping authority from the People is. Slight difference.
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06-30-2003, 12:27 AM | #15 | |
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Should they export republic instead [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]That's because the U.S.A. is a Deomcraticly elected "Constitutional Representative Republic" Our forefathers Democraticly decided to be a "CRR" Down through the years we the people have decided that we would keep it that way. Our nation has a Constitution that spells out some of our rights as citizens, Rights that can not be taken away by a simple majority vote of the people.
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Rome had a senate and representatives for the plebs. The last (and first) true democracy was Athens where every citizen got to vote (however that excluded women, outsiders, slaves, ...)
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06-30-2003, 05:21 AM | #17 | |
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06-30-2003, 06:35 AM | #19 | |
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Now, why would this be important. Considder slavery, which was once, regretably, part of America. The whole notion should have been struck down. But, barring that the President should have vetoed it .... or been declared unConstitutional by the Court. Of course they did some major denial/justification to claim that slaves were not human to get around that "All men are created equal." thing. This was more to get the South to ratify the new gubmint for they would not abandon their ways and the flegling nation could not hope to stand against Europe if they were divided. Anyway this is just one example were the Will of the People is not a GoodThingTM.
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06-30-2003, 07:44 AM | #20 | |
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Technically speaking the thing that has power in a car is the fuel but the driver uses the engine to channel that power and drive. Like an emperor/king/senate/... uses the governmental structure to rule his people. The ancient Roman Republic was run by families of nobles who were elected for consul and after retirement joined the senate. After Gaius Julius Caesar's dictatorship and some quarrels the time of the emperors (starting with Oktavian) started. The senate now was nothing more but a show and all the power was with the emperor.
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