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For decades, I felt as though wanting smaller gov't was a pipe dream, and that I had best learn how to work with Leviathan. As I get older, though, and read more and more from the classical liberals, I understand that the mindset I formerly held was simply a preference for a taskmaster who was the most lenient with his application of the whip. I had not considered the alternative -- that humanity might want to discard the shackles entirely.
Actually, I think the collapse of the federal government is inevitable, and within a couple generations of happening, but that is another topic. And, no, I don't believe we differ in *extent* but in *type*. I am opposed to anyone initiating force upon anyone. I believe all transactions should be voluntary and consentual. I believe that it makes no difference whether government swings the cudgel or some thug does so. I see precious little difference between the highwayman and the IRS man. I believe that we will come to realize that government itself is the bane of humanity, and that future generations will look at the serf system in the world today as a quaint, but backwards religion, as sincerely held but as wrongheaded as the notion of Zeus tossing lightning bolts from Mount Olympus. Regarding computers, first, they are not just consumer goods. They are also producer goods, as I have installed hundreds into businesses running automation and control systems. But even if they were merely consumer goods, what difference does that make? Do the laws of supply and demand apply to only consumer goods, not producer goods? [ 04-22-2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ] |
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[img]smile.gif[/img] really I was just wanting you to comment on the issues I po9sted nto trying to start a whole new Enviro-debate. |
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TL, in your discussion with Thorfinn you both touched on one of the main issues in the portion of the article I posted....rather than accept the Bush administration of making something 20% more efficient they scream because ti isn't the 30% that the previous administration proposed....why not take what you can get then try again later for the 20%.....no sad to say, I am sorry but to all appearences and those are what coun't here rather than admit that something Bush did will make things better, they twist and spin it because it wasn't as much as their home boy had tried to shovel out.
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When in doubt go to the National Review Online to stir up an argument. [/QUOTE] While the commentary is quite biting, it would be much nicer and less irritating if you could at least comment on the issues involved instead of just going after Attalus. I only posted part of the article, the part that deals with facts and left out most of the spin and clutter that went with the article. Everyone seems to be bending over backwards to avoid looking at what is actually in there and instead bitching about the source. |
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Im starting to suspect that the Bush administration is not the "Ecological Armageddon" that the eco-groups are screaming about and that the people who are screaming would scream no matter who was in office. I am seeing no difference between the protestors of 1973 and 2003....same old complaints, same old ignoring the facts, same type of "joiners" dancing and beating on drums,(and really would a little deoderant hurt them or the environment so badly?) and the same lack of real information on the issue.
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Yes, or better yet, mandate no changes in efficiency. Part of the reason that the mandate for air conditioner efficiency was decreased was that independent estimates suggested that you could make an air conditioner 20% more efficient for only about 30% more money, but to make it 30% more efficient, with present technology would cost somewhere around 150% more. I don't remember the figures exactly, but the cost of a 30% more efficient model was estimated to be over twice the price.
Now for working poor, or pensioners, you might be able to afford an air conditioner for one room. You definitely could not afford one if it were suddenly to become twice as expensive. You would have to make do with what you have, or do without. Sure, those who can afford more expensive air conditioners will end up with cheaper cooling bills, but you have condemned people of more modest means to going without anything at all. And when the summer heats up, we see the effects of expensive air conditioner units on the poor population in the cities... I'm all for the environment and all, but when your policies are starting to kill people, you should really sit back and consider what you are doing. [ 04-22-2003, 02:39 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ] |
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