Virginia bans homosexual civil unions

[Chewbacca]

If someone posted here expressing the opinion that black people shouldn't marry white people...would that be allowed? Would that be insulting to black people?

What if someone posted here expressing the opinion that Catholics and protestants shouldn't be allowed to marry? Would that be allowed?

I wonder if it has occured to anyone, that suggesting that gays and lesbians should not be allowed to marry or have civil unions is quite insulting to the gays and lesbians who may or may not frequent thses boards.

I am not even gay and I have grown highly insulted by the deliberate and calculated, yet subtle attacks upon homosexuals that occur here.

The people who should be banned are those calling for the continued discrimination against gays. The people who persistently, and in some cases, bolding claim that being gay is a lifestyle, or a mental illness, or even an abomination unto God.

They should be the ones who are censored, they should be the ones being banned. They are ones who should be rebuked as surely as any racists, bigot, anti-simite, or woman-hater would be in postulating hateful and/or discriminatory ideals.

They are the ones who are truly being insulting and yet not a peep from the authorities here on the matter.

If this was truly a "family forum", then gay bashing (in any form, direct or subtle) would not be allowed and this entire topic would would be as off-limits as the religious topic. Racism isnt allowed here, religion bashing isnt allowed here, gender bashing and nation bashing isn't allowed here but gay bashing happens every time this topic comes around.

It needs to stop, I say.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: The people who persistently, and in some cases, bolding claim that being gay is a lifestyle, or a mental illness, or even an abomination unto God.

Ah yes. I was waiting for this. Intolerance of religion. Thoughtcrime. Make it illegal to think homosexuality is morally wrong. Ban the Bible, Torah and Qu'ran because they suggest practicing homosexuality is morally wrong. You're on the dark path dictatorships that ban religions take Chewbacca.

I will defend to the death a persons right to suggest that their experiences lead them to believe homosexuality is a lifestyle abbhorrent to their God.

Freedom of religion vs freedom of sexual expression. Why is this an issue again? Can't you live with homosexuality being allowed, yet spoken against?

Please note, and I'll say it till I'm blue in the face - the person, the homosexual, is, in my worldview, loved by my God the same amount I and any other human is. The ACTION, is what is condemned. Like many other actions commited by beautiful people. What's more, I accept and embrace practicing homosexuals, not only in my church, but in leadership positions of my music team. Just as I would any other human. There is a HUGE difference between loving the person, and loathing an action. Whether they believe it is wrong is between them and God. If they believe it's wrong and continue, they're going to have mental torment. If they've resolved it, and believe it's all fine, then under New Testament GRACE, they're fine and dandy.

"All things are permisable, but not all are beneficial" is the biblical quote I love.

However, you go the step beyond and ban religions from excercising moral judgement.

How are you inteding to enforce this Chewbacca? Ban the bible? Imprison preachers who don't toe the line? Jail the parent who lectures their kids on sexual rights and wrongs?

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: If someone posted here expressing the opinion that black people shouldn't marry white people...would that be allowed? Would that be insulting to black people?

Er... black people and white people. And perhaps the "other" class that in America are so often relegated to "invisible" status. As though America is only populated by blacks and whites. Statements like this don't help mate.

Besides, any human can marry. Of course there are restrictions. You cannot marry:
A sibling, a parent, a member of the same sex, a child, a cousin, an animal, yourself. All these you can love, live with all your life and enjoy. With same sex, non related people, you can even be romantically intimate with and commit to life, raise a child and have a wonderfully happy life.

In PRACTICALITY, there is no restriction. There is just a few ENCOURAGEMENTS for certain humans who meet criteria.

But this, as has been said, is more than just about a piece of paper, and about these, I believe your post is the most honest thus far Chewbacca.

[Chewbacca]

*looks over the giant strawman Yorick laid*

If you actually want to address my points rather than stretch them ****way**** beyond the intended scope of my words- I may be around.


Also-you can keep your 'religiosness' to yourself thankyouverymuch. I could care less.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Yorick: Er... black people and white people. And perhaps the "other" class that in America are so often relegated to "invisible" status. As though America is only populated by blacks and whites. Statements like this don't help mate.

HAHAHAHAH!!!! Twist them words ! go man go!!!!

Besides, any human can marry. Of course there are restrictions. You cannot marry: a member of the same sex,

Wrong. I will be attending a legal same-sex marriage ( in a Christian church) in mid-july here in the great state of MA in the grand ole U.S. of A.

...for certain humans who meet criteria.

Two Consenting adults who are not blood relatives past 2nd cousin. Sounds quite ( and more) practical to me.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: *looks over the giant strawman Yorick laid* If you actually want to address my points rather than stretch them ****way**** beyond the intended scope of my words- I may be around. Also-you can keep your 'religiosness' to yourself thankyouverymuch. I could care less.

You said:

I am not even gay and I have grown highly insulted by the deliberate and calculated, yet subtle attacks upon homosexuals that occur here.

If you are referring to me, you are incorrect. There is no desire to attack Jerr or any other homosexual friend of mine in anything I've said here. Stop trying to incite a fire when there is none. You are bringing prejudice into your reading, and not reading what is written.

The people who should be banned are those calling for the continued discrimination against gays. The people who persistently, and in some cases, bolding claim that being gay is a lifestyle, or a mental illness, or even an abomination unto God.

Seems clear to me. You're seeking to ban religions. Ban Christian, Muslim and jewish views from being expressed. Or even the view of ex-gays and ex-lesbians who happen to believe they were lifestyle choices they made.

They should be the ones who are censored, they should be the ones being banned. They are ones who should be rebuked as surely as any racists, bigot, anti-simite, or woman-hater would be in postulating hateful and/or discriminatory ideals.

Who is hating in this thread? You've equating holding the belief that society should be allowed to determine the values it encourages on par with racism, sexism, antisemetism and bigotry, yet you say I'M making a straw man?

You just want this subject banned Chewbacca. Spite spite spite.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Er... black people and white people. And perhaps the "other" class that in America are so often relegated to "invisible" status. As though America is only populated by blacks and whites. Statements like this don't help mate.

HAHAHAHAH!!!! Twist them words ! go man go!!!! [/QUOTE]It's called making an aside. You Americans frequently divide you country into black and white, completely ignoring Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Jews, Hispanics, Mulatos and any other minority. It pisses me off. Secondly you cited offense only in "black people", as though whites would never be offended by such a suggestion. Heard of Bryce Courtney by any chance by the way?

Well sorry. Slavery/segregation and homosexual marriages are not in the same solar system. You devalidate the horrendous disgust that slavery was by trying to find correlation.

Wrong. I will be attending a legal same-sex marriage ( in a Christian church) in mid-july here in the great state of MA in the grand ole U.S. of A.

So then this doesn't apply to you. Why are you getting so heated? It applies to the state I live in which again banned Jason West from breaking state laws. You'll find my argument supports your state making those laws. Read them again if you missed it.

Two Consenting adults who are not blood relatives past 2nd cousin. Sounds quite ( and more) practical to me.

That's fine for you. Mine is to give procreating couples encouragement over everyone else. Yes, that includes childless hetrosexual couples.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Yorick: You just want this subject banned Chewbacca. Spite spite spite.

Spite? Are you saying I am spiteful as well claiming I want to ban a bunch of religions? That is, like, so mature! :rollseyes:

I want Yorick banned!!!! He called me spiteful and anti- Christian, Anti-Jewish and Anti- Muslim. Ban him!!! :rollseyes:


Any further discussion with you would be a waste of time. You are wrong about my words in so many ways and have also conviently avoided the issue of how variably insulting and demeaning various anti-gay stances can be.

Good Bye.

[Dirty Meg]

Originally posted by Yorick: Please. You're not seriously attempting to give me an English lesson are you? How quaint.

I aim to please. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by Yorick: It's intent and application however, are SUBJECTIVE, and use subjective morality in the process. You are wrong. Simple.

If it's subjective, I can't really be wrong can I?

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: If someone posted here expressing the opinion that black people shouldn't marry white people...would that be allowed? Would that be insulting to black people? What if someone posted here expressing the opinion that Catholics and protestants shouldn't be allowed to marry? Would that be allowed? I wonder if it has occured to anyone, that suggesting that gays and lesbians should not be allowed to marry or have civil unions is quite insulting to the gays and lesbians who may or may not frequent thses boards. I am not even gay and I have grown highly insulted by the deliberate and calculated, yet subtle attacks upon homosexuals that occur here. The people who should be banned are those calling for the continued discrimination against gays. The people who persistently, and in some cases, bolding claim that being gay is a lifestyle, or a mental illness, or even an abomination unto God. They should be the ones who are censored, they should be the ones being banned. They are ones who should be rebuked as surely as any racists, bigot, anti-simite, or woman-hater would be in postulating hateful and/or discriminatory ideals. They are the ones who are truly being insulting and yet not a peep from the authorities here on the matter. If this was truly a "family forum", then gay bashing (in any form, direct or subtle) would not be allowed and this entire topic would would be as off-limits as the religious topic. Racism isnt allowed here, religion bashing isnt allowed here, gender bashing and nation bashing isn't allowed here but gay bashing happens every time this topic comes around. It needs to stop, I say.

"It needs to stop", you say. In other words, anyone who disagrees with homosexuality just needs to keep their opinions to themselves.

I'm sorry, Chewbacca, but disagreement with an issue is NOT the same as an insult or attack (bold or subtle) against that issue. And to suggest that a dissenting opinion is the equivalent to the specific insults Dirty Meg has leveled directly at Yorick is just ludicrous.

I disagree with homosexuality, and I DO happen to believe that God calls it "an abomination". That belief is firmly backed up by the Holy Bible, which I also happen to believe in.

However, despite your own earlier criticism, this stance by the Bible is NOT equivalent to "hate speech"- because I neither hate nor descriminate against homosexuals, despite my disagreement with their sexual preferences. I have a number of friends that are gay and I don't treat them any differently than I do my straight friends. I have even been asked out by an old family friend who revealed he was homosexual and had always been attracted to me. I declined the date (of course), but I did tell him I would be happy to have lunch with him sometime. I also greeted that same man with a full hug in public later that evening because we have always greeted each other that way. As I said, I didn't change the way I treat him at all just because I had learned he was gay.

You see, Chewbacca, it is possible to disagree with homosexuality, yet still have respect for individuals that are gay.