Views on death penalty

[Timber Loftis]

Romper Stomper, dude. Rock on. [img]graemlins/rocking.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: Actually, do you understand Occam's Razor, Yorick? For analysis between Oz and the US using that method of logical deduction is not possible. The key element, "All things being equal ..." is missing as you have already shown.

No comparison to the US mate. I'm speaking about the two scenarios within Australia.

All things being equal, is it likely that Bryant went of his nut, and shot everyone, or that a huge conspiracy involving high levels of a government that regulary changes, in a country with no history of civil war or violent politics, for what end again? To limit gun control? This does what?

Look I'm not wasting my time. Occams Razor, would leave us with the simpler, simpler idea that Bryant acted alone, and that events were as they are publically known to be.

[Night Stalker]

I'm sorry, I misread, mate. [img]smile.gif[/img] Since I don't know the facts of the case, you are right here with the information presented. The simpler answer is that Bryant blew a fuse or two.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Sparhawk: I can understand Yoricks frustration about being compared to USA all the time... I find his arguments about a civil war...KKK...no slavery and so on to be absolute nonsense however... I look at Europe and see NeoNazis...the battleground for WW1 and WW2 and I see lots of slavery in the past as with USA. Looking at Aussies...You have the same Neonazis and the same trouble with a war I.e. WW2 with Japaneese agressions...so a bit flawed there! But...a BIG but...Australia does NOT have a lacking policy on gun control as do USA...and that is one of the biggest mix-ups I've ever seen. I see people shouting out that death penalty is a way of discouraging people from heinous crimes when a strict gun control would do wonders in that direction. I am pretty sure that crime in USA would fall about 60% by taking all the guns away from people...sure the NRA would go up in flames...SO WHAT!!!...let them die in the flames and save the innocent and those who might be tempted!

This is getting beyond a joke.

USA -

Revolutionary war vs Britain
Civil War
Slavery
Ku Kluxx Klan racist violence
Kills Own citizens on levels comparable to China, Saudi Arabia and Husseini Iraq
Lincoln, Kennedy and Kennedy killed, Regan shot. Luther-King Junior killed etc etc etc

WWI and II are irrelevent because they were EUROPES wars, the world got dragged into. Not INTERNAL situations.

Australia

Federated independence from Britain through peaceful process
No civil war. Australains have not taken arms against Australians in war. It is an anathaema.
No slavery. None. No slavery. I'll say it again. No slaves from Africa were sent to Australia. There is no white fear of a Black uprising. There is no militant black movement, reparation movement or anything similar. The Aboriginal situation is comparable with the American INDIAN situation. Indigenous nomadic peoples dispossessed of their land.
Does not kill it's own citizens through death penalty
No politician killed for political reasons ever. Only one small time state politician shot by a business partner for personal reasons at home. Biggest political scandal in Australia was when the Governor General fired the elected Prime Minister.

There is no reason, no motive for this conspiracy. No need to keep ex-slaves under control or to prevent an uprising. No fear of totalitatianism rooted in a revolution against the British Empire. Gun control in Australia did not change the government into a dictator, but made society safer.

Like Apples and Oranges.

Leave your conspiracy theories in the USA thanks very much.

[Yorick]

Additionally, the so-called NeoNazis depicted in Romper Stomper, are an EUROPEAN import, and are a ridiculously small percentage of the population.

There are more FERALS than punks.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: I'm sorry, I misread, mate. [img]smile.gif[/img] Since I don't know the facts of the case, you are right here with the information presented. The simpler answer is that Bryant blew a fuse or two.

No worries.

Indeed I love it that those against gun control, will use the high kill ratio of a gun, as "proof" that the simple answer is incorrect.

"Bryant can't have done it because he had no training."

WTF??? So? Two kids at Columbine had no training either and they did untold damage. The whole point of a gun, is that it makes a child, or an idiot into a killing machine.

Well Bryant did do it. Wierder things have happened. The unusual can and does occur quite regularly. Even so, it's a heck of a lot simpler, more likely and less wierd, than a conspiracy that has never been leaked, is directly at odds with the Australian mentality, has no apparent motive, and no apparent beneficiaries, would have taken place.

Who benefits from this? What government leaders? What billionaires? Rupert Murdoch? He became an American citizen. Who planned this? Who gained?

[Timber Loftis]

USA - Revolutionary war vs Britain Civil War Slavery Ku Kluxx Klan racist violence Kills Own citizens on levels comparable to China, Saudi Arabia and Husseini Iraq Lincoln, Kennedy and Kennedy killed, Regan shot. Luther-King Junior killed etc etc etc

Hey! Let's not let this get into country-bashing, please. [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: USA - Revolutionary war vs Britain Civil War Slavery Ku Kluxx Klan racist violence Kills Own citizens on levels comparable to China, Saudi Arabia and Husseini Iraq Lincoln, Kennedy and Kennedy killed, Regan shot. Luther-King Junior killed etc etc etc

Hey! Let's not let this get into country-bashing, please. [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Sorry Timber.... trying to highlight differences....

I could also have said one was founded by Pilgrims seeking refuge from religious persecution, while the other was founded by people sent there in chains for stealing loaves of bread.

[Sparhawk]

*cough* My language might be to fault...but I actually sided with you on that one Yorick alas my english apparently is in disrepair and need some serious checking up!
I was trying to point OUT exactely the DIFFERENCES between USA and Australia and NOT compare the two!
i.e. my point about the goddamn gun-control missing in the usa
About Neonazis ( I've never seen RomperStomper ) it is a small part of the population that share those nutty ideas...and yes it is a part of the european history...funny though that USA has the largest group of these nuckleheads*S*

[Yorick]

No worries Sparhawk. I need to take a chill pill anyway. Timber, didn't mean to country bash mate. Sorry again.