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Ok, I've been out of the loop on this thread for a bit (schedule got hectic yesterday), but I can see that a lot of *ahem* activity occurred on it.
It is amazing to me how ordinarily rational, mature individuals can descend to the least common denominator of behaviors when involved in a controversial discussion. I'm talking about taking pot shots, hitting below the belt, picking apart other's arguments line by line, and taking things that have been said apart and twisting them out of context. I've seen it happen again and again, and it never ceases to astound me. It makes me wonder, are you really interested in sharing ideas, or scoring points in a debate. Let me tell you something, guys...NO ONE'S KEEPING SCORE...except the moderators, and that score is one you DON'T want to run up. And we ARE watching...don't ever doubt that for one single minute. I agree with Mouse that if this thread continues to descend and get more out-of-bounds, we will have little choice but to lock it down. That would be a travesty, and it would be awful for Mouse to have to do that as his first official act as a moderator. Memnoch's points about the "trolling" behavior is very apropos. I've seen at least three different individuals here engaging in, at the very least, *borderline trolling*, and some have crossed that line as well. If your entire point about making a post was to cut others down, belittle their opinions, and try to "score points" for yourself by throwing out controversial statements with the intent of provoking responses from others, we (as moderators) would prefer that you just not post at all in such threads. For those of you who respond to those *barbs*...don't! That's what people who throw them out are looking for; an antagonistic response. Just let it "roll off of you" and go on about your way. (Ye gods and firestones, I sound more like Memnoch every day! [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img] ) Back to the issue at hand...I've seen both sides extensively, and the last thing I'm going to say on the subject of child punishment is this: anyone who thinks that one single solution will work for all kids has another think coming. That's like saying that one "miracle elixir" medication will be a cure-all for every ill you have, from piles to tuberculosis. . Behavior modification is the name of the game, guys, in whatever form it takes. I personally would prefer that it take a nonphysical form, but in extreme cases, sometimes physical punishment must be applied that is swift, non-angry, and appropriate to the situation. Again, I personally would only engage in such behavior as a last resort, when all other non-physical means have failed to modify the behavior. Pain need not be present...just enough of a tap or a swat to get one's attention and let them know you mean business. One last thing...whatever method you choose, it must be applied CONSISTENTLY, and it must start from the cradle onward. If one has allowed one's children to run wild for the first 8 years of life, then starts trying to discipline them when they're 9....I've got three words for you: "Good luck, sucker." [img]tongue.gif[/img] It's not the lack of physical discipline, but the lack of ANY discipline, that causes kids to grow up haywire and, possibly, produces situations like Columbine High School and other tragedies...in my opinion, that is. [img]smile.gif[/img] One thing is for certain: You alone know best how to raise your children. I would no sooner tell someone how to raise their kids than I would hope no one would come into my classroom and tell me how to instruct them. Different styles, different methods...if they work, and are non-abusive, then I'd say let it ride. -Sazerac
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child is and I do not call anyone who raises their hand to their child a kid-beater - I'd have to call my own parents kid-beater in that case.[/QUOTE]thsoe wortds may have been strong but what I meant was leaving it to the parents that think pain is the answer, since they find reasons to disallow opposing viewpoints[/QUOTE]Lord Shield, and Miss Melusine Ma'am do you not see that the disallowing goes both ways? Honestly Look at the title of this thread the word "SMACK" is used, I'm willing to bet in All of it's negative conotations (SP?). It allready assumes that spanking is negative, evil, only to be used by the most Trogliditish (I just love making up New Harrisism's) of parents. HELL the first page is allmost exclusively made up of ANY PARENT that spanks, swatts,thinks about it, even for a fleeting moment is evil hateful, UNLOVING, stupid parents, posts. Please stop the disallowing viewpoints stuff, it "SMACKS"(pun intended) of Hypocrisy and is beneath both of You. Consider the "Cloudy" approach Miss Cloudbringer, has been very effective at presenting an opposing view. She has neither thrust upon, or had thrust upon her this "If you disagree with me you are being close minded and are just mean, Oh by the way I don't have to be held to the same standard" stuff. I'm coming down on both of you because I have found both of you in the past to be intellectually honest, and honourable in the majority of your posts. But you are both grownup enough to make up your own minds on what I have written. I just hate to see such fine and reasoning thinking viewpoints, sink to become the very thing they dispise. Don't that sound nice, actually I don't give a DAMN. (just KIDDING I've been sitting on that saying for awhile and haven't found a time I could use it )[/QUOTE]Good point, JD. I had thought about saying pretty much the same thing but gave it up as pointless. |
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LOL! MagiK does your wife ever get the last word on anything?
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[quote]Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
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As for throwing misused toys away, I do that too [img]smile.gif[/img] it really does wonders...especially when I threw Kristens "Land Before Time" tape in the trash when she wouldnt pick it up...she was heart broken but she learned the lesson. |
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