05-12-2003, 11:50 AM | #161 |
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I'm NOT misrepresenting what you said, and Lord K sums it up well. Your mates smoke in the bar, which is where they apparently want to smoke (else they would go outside), and they are obliging enough to not blow it your way (I show everyone that courtesy when I smoke). But, you wish the government would make a law, limiting their freedom, thereby benefitting you when you are in their company.
Maybe many smokers would like to give it up. But, each of us defines our own happiness, and it is not your place to legislate us into acheiving our desires. Me, I've no desire to give it up. I quite cold for 2-3 years. Now, I've busted the addiction barrier and can smoke when I choose. It's kinda nice. Which brings me to another point -- our notion of what "smoking" is. It should, IMO, be viewed as an occassional recreational thing -- like alcohol. Doing any drug 20 times every day is abject stupidity. All things in moderation. Oh, and I am wounded and hurt we are not friends. While it may be true, I would not have said it outright. I thought you true Englishmen were supposed to have more manners than us colonials. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] |
05-12-2003, 11:53 AM | #162 | |
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That said I also feel that the majority of smokers that DO show respect get penalized from the minority who simple doesn't care. Most smokers I have met have kindly put out their cigarettes when asked to do so. [img]smile.gif[/img] More understanding than people with other "issues". But smoking in public places, once again not bars, does somewhat limit the choice "go somewhere else if you don't like the smoke". Also to those who compares fumes with cigarette smoke. This is not really a valid comparison. The amounts of toxic substances found in cigarettes is generally filtered out in industries. A company releasing heavy metals into the nature would probably have a hefty fine to look forward to. Think about that when throwing away your buds, or washing your car for that matter. [img]smile.gif[/img] Edti: Had to remove your smileys LordK. |
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That said I also feel that the majority of smokers that DO show respect get penalized from the minority who simple doesn't care. Most smokers I have met have kindly put out their cigarettes when asked to do so. [img]smile.gif[/img] More understanding than people with other "issues". But smoking in public places, once again not bars, does somewhat limit the choice "go somewhere else if you don't like the smoke". Also to those who compares fumes with cigarette smoke. This is not really a valid comparison. The amounts of toxic substances found in cigarettes is generally filtered out in industries. A company releasing heavy metals into the nature would probably have a hefty fine to look forward to. Think about that when throwing away your buds, or washing your car for that matter. [img]smile.gif[/img] Edti: Had to remove your smileys LordK. What? Why? What are you talking about? [/QUOTE]
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Timber and Donut, perhaps you should continue your "squabble" in PMs? [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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Timber and Donut, perhaps you should continue your "squabble" in PMs? [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QB][/QUOTE] Got it. I am involed in the scable also Willow. Should I PM to? [ 05-12-2003, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: LordKathen ]
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05-12-2003, 12:18 PM | #168 |
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Go, Timber. You tell 'em.
Willow, he is right about being pushed from society. True, companies can ask about smoking, not that it makes any difference in terms of group health rates, at least here in the states. But you think it is OK to deny him a job because he might cost the health plan more? You just try doing that to a woman, who will rack up more in a single, non-complicated birth than he will through his entire career. Try hiring only persons in a committed heterosexual relationship, since they have lower risk factors than other demographics for scads of expensive conditions. Surely, smoking is treated differently. It is acceptable to shun and vilify smokers, but we must show compassion and understanding (and shell out large sums from our paychecks) in support of addicts to illegal drugs. [ 05-12-2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Thorfinn ] |
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05-12-2003, 12:23 PM | #170 | |
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*Slips back into obscurity* [ 05-12-2003, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Sigmar ] |
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