Views on death penalty

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: you shoulda returned the punch, beat the crap outta him

John... note the RETURNED aspect of the advice. Indicating retaliation.

[Timber Loftis]

Oh, no, TL advocates hunting his ass down and hitting him over the head with a lead pipe when his back is turned. Then vandalizing his home and car. TL is all for revenge. Feed your id monster.

TL also jokes. He also has this annoying refer-to-self-in-third-person habit. Well, at least it's not the "royal plural."

[Yorick]

I like taling about Timber rather than talking to him too.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: you shoulda returned the punch, beat the crap outta him

John... note the RETURNED aspect of the advice. Indicating retaliation. [/QUOTE]We'll have to disagree on this one Yorick, returning fire while under fire, is different then retaliation, revenge, or venagence. One is during and can be done with out malice, the others are after the fact and done with the intent of malice.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Oh, no, TL advocates hunting his ass down and hitting him over the head with a lead pipe when his back is turned. Then vandalizing his home and car. TL is all for revenge. Feed your id monster. TL also jokes. He also has this annoying refer-to-self-in-third-person habit. Well, at least it's not the "royal plural."

JDH prefers a Luisville slugger, the sudden stop of ash moving at a high rate of speed when contact with a skull is made, a satisfing sound simular to a ripe melon brusting can be heard.

JDH also jokes.

[Sparhawk]

*LOL* I was punched out cold...hit the back of my head on a post behind me...the punch wasn´t that bad in itself.
As people are saying I could have returned the punch...but we are talking about two africans...in hip-hop style...and with about eight knifes hidden in ninja-style...I´ve been told later that the worst I could do was to strike him back at that point...since they were two...but next time he tries anything...My black Louisville slugger will see action...I´ll probally bat him like a homerun.

Naaah...the police are on the hunt...don´t know if it will lead anywere since they are two agains me in regards to witness aspect...but I can hope...

[Yorick]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: you shoulda returned the punch, beat the crap outta him

John... note the RETURNED aspect of the advice. Indicating retaliation. [/QUOTE]We'll have to disagree on this one Yorick, returning fire while under fire, is different then retaliation, revenge, or venagence. One is during and can be done with out malice, the others are after the fact and done with the intent of malice. [/QUOTE]How is responding to violence with violence not retaliation? I think you're missing the meaning of what retaliation is.

Without an initial action, there is no retaliatory action.

For Sparhawks action to not be retaliation it would need to happen before, or at the same time of an assault, which would mean he instigated the violence - which is worse. Retaliating is a responsive action, and one which can and should be avoided where possible. See a) Israel/Palestine conflict, and b) IRA/Ulster Unionists conflict and c) Serb/Croat/Bosnian conflict for more details on how the cycle of retaliation is an endless spiral.

Returning fire - is by definition retaliation, as you are RETURNING fire. That is the pure and simple definition of retaliation. There is no emotion to retaliation. Retaliation is not malice. Retaliation is responsive. Like vengance or revenge is also responsive.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Yorick: How is responding to violence with violence not retaliation? I think you're missing the meaning of what retaliation is. Without an initial action, there is no retaliatory action. For Sparhawks action to not be retaliation it would need to happen before, or at the same time of an assault, which would mean he instigated the violence - which is worse. Retaliating is a responsive action, and one which can and should be avoided where possible. See a) Israel/Palestine conflict, and b) IRA/Ulster Unionists conflict and c) Serb/Croat/Bosnian conflict for more details on how the cycle of retaliation is an endless spiral. Returning fire - is by definition retaliation, as you are RETURNING fire. That is the pure and simple definition of retaliation. There is no emotion to retaliation. Retaliation is not malice. Retaliation is responsive. Like vengance or revenge is also responsive.

Vengance and revenge have an underlaying reason for the action that seperates them from responing to an action while the action is going on. You've read the Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. In the begining that was simply a law that stated if you do this crime this is your punishment. It was soon preverted to mean if you do this I get to do this back to you. It got so preverted that there had to be cities of refuge set up to alow people to run to so they didn't have revenge acted upon them.

[Sparhawk]

Furthermore...Yorick

There is a little thing called self-defense...I think you americans/aussies are keen on that one with all your guns.
If I am in fear of my life...I´d be justified to strike back at the aggressor....i.e. Israel/palaestine conflict...though I don´t agree with Israel on many counts I find the freedomfighting techniques of the palaestinians to be overly bloody, targeting civilian and fantical.
In my own little struggle agains the neighbor I didn´t feel threatened enough to strike back but let me assure you that my 280 pounds of muscle would have done the trick if I felt threatened enough.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Sparhawk: Furthermore...Yorick There is a little thing called self-defense...I think you americans/aussies are keen on that one with all your guns. If I am in fear of my life...I´d be justified to strike back at the aggressor....i.e. Israel/palaestine conflict...though I don´t agree with Israel on many counts I find the freedomfighting techniques of the palaestinians to be overly bloody, targeting civilian and fantical. In my own little struggle agains the neighbor I didn´t feel threatened enough to strike back but let me assure you that my 280 pounds of muscle would have done the trick if I felt threatened enough.

Perhaps you could fill us in on the gun laws in Australia. Are they really that lax?