Taking out the trash in Yemen!!!

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: The reasoning they use is not the opression of the west, it is that we are infidels, its a religious term, you see we do not follow the one true faith and as such must be purged from the lands. Not just the middle east, you see Islam (the religion of "love and peace") is all about killing those who are different from you. Ignoring their threat is only giving them time to grow more powerful and to recruit more members, then unless you have converted to Islaam you will be slaughtered. Its allthere in the Quran Is this jest? If not, I think you'll have a hard time defending it. Most anything you want can be read into a religious text. You mentioned the Bible - weren't the crusades justified biblically according to one-time Western thought? I mean, riding to the Holy Land on horses, saying "this is mine" and all that crap. Applying one or a few groups' interpretation of the Koran to all Muslims is flawed, I think.

TL I was speaking of the 21st century not the crusades and dark ages. I did point out that the Bible had its xenophobic parts but as of today there is no worldwide christian Jihad that I am aware of.

As for applying it to a few groups, you dont pay attention to what has been going on in the popular press in the middle east, their religious hate of the west is not a minority view.[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Gandar: TL, read his post and you will notice that he used the term "White Americans", not "Pompous Americans" or "Imperialistic Americans". It implies that our feelings would not be as strong if they were "Black Americans" or "Hispanic Americans" or any other race. I'm sorry if this annoys you, but when someone singles out one race to aim their criticism at, it reeks of racism.

Gandar, you are forgettng the fact that you can say anything you want about white people and not be considered a racist. Listen to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, these two men if they were white speaking of any other race would be convicted of "hate crimes" (I don't mean to be picking on Arfican Americans, its just those two people are easily picked out). There is a double standard in the US at any rate about what is considered Racism. If you bash whites, that is not racist. You have to face that truth.

[Spelca]

Originally posted by MagiK: The reasoning they use is not the opression of the west, it is that we are infidels, its a religious term, you see we do not follow the one true faith and as such must be purged from the lands. Not just the middle east, you see Islam (the religion of "love and peace") is all about killing those who are different from you. Ignoring their threat is only giving them time to grow more powerful and to recruit more members, then unless you have converted to Islaam you will be slaughtered. Its allthere in the Quran (or however you spell it) you know the Bible has its share of xenophobia in it, but you don't generally see mobs of christian suicide bombers running around killing civilians. (I said usually) and Im pretty sure there is no christian movement to wipe all other belief systems off the face of the earth. Oh by the way, they don't jst hate christians either, Im pretty sure they have just as big a desire to eliminate wiccans, pagans and the followers of Ray

Ahh, yes, but they use the religion as another reason to justify it, or they use the opression as a reason to justify what their religion tells them. Either way you look at it, there is that one more reason. Religion is not enough... Most Muslims are peaceful because they believe that's what their religion tells them, but some that feel threatened find a reason in the religion to be violent. It's the same with Christianity. It is a peaceful religion, but when some people feel something is wrong, or feel threatened, they find in the Bible that God allows them to punish the bad ones. I give you anti-abortionists. I am sure most Christians would agree that stalking and threatening the abortion doctors is wrong and that God would not 'aprove' of it, yet there are some extremists that find good reasons in the Bible to do that. So please don't blame it all on the religion. The fact is that these terrorists don't get the support of the people because of their religion, but because of other things too... [img]smile.gif[/img]

You could be right Spelca, but if you read some of the translations of the public papers in Saudi Arabia, or Jordan or Lebanon you will see a lot of religious propaganda and not much secular bitching about the west. To be honest though, Im relying on someone elses translation of what is being written....Im very bad at languages and can barely make do in this one.

[Gandar]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Gandar: TL, read his post and you will notice that he used the term "White Americans", not "Pompous Americans" or "Imperialistic Americans". It implies that our feelings would not be as strong if they were "Black Americans" or "Hispanic Americans" or any other race. I'm sorry if this annoys you, but when someone singles out one race to aim their criticism at, it reeks of racism.

Gandar, you are forgettng the fact that you can say anything you want about white people and not be considered a racist. Listen to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, these two men if they were white speaking of any other race would be convicted of "hate crimes" (I don't mean to be picking on Arfican Americans, its just those two people are easily picked out). There is a double standard in the US at any rate about what is considered Racism. If you bash whites, that is not racist. You have to face that truth.[/QUOTE]I understand it all too well, but I don't have to accept it nor remain silent about it. People of just about every race were killed in these terrorist attacks, and to imply that ANYONE in America thinks that the WHITE victims are the only important ones is an insult not only to living Americans, but to the victims of these attacks,regardless of race.

[Timber Loftis]

Well, I do agree with you MagiK that white-bashing is considered A-okay in America. And, being rather melanin-challenged myself, it gets under my skin so to speak.

[/)eathKiller]

I only have one quote for that first photograph you posted [img]tongue.gif[/img]

"medic!"

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by MagiK: Gandar, you are forgettng the fact that you can say anything you want about white people and not be considered a racist. Listen to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, these two men if they were white speaking of any other race would be convicted of "hate crimes" (I don't mean to be picking on Arfican Americans, its just those two people are easily picked out). There is a double standard in the US at any rate about what is considered Racism. If you bash whites, that is not racist. You have to face that truth.

Absolutely true, the Heterosexual White Male is America's newest minority, any other group can and does recieve numerous special rights whereas we are expected to do it on our own, and allow ourselves to be slandered at every opportunity.

[Attalus]

All right, it is getting more interesting. There was a "secondary explosion" after the Hellfire blew them to their afterlife, and they have found traces of bombs and weapons in the car. Not much argument there for the innocents argument. Oh, and it wasn't just a mattter of "we know where they are so let's just go arrest them." It was in a remote, lawless band of mountains far in the backwoods. That was their best shot, and they took it. I'm behind them 100%. They can remove that joke about our agents never getting their man from Entertainment Weekly.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Attalus: All right, it is getting more interesting. There was a "secondary explosion" after the Hellfire blew them to their afterlife, and they have found traces of bombs and weapons in the car. Not much argument there for the innocents argument. Oh, and it wasn't just a mattter of "we know where they are so let's just go arrest them." It was in a remote, lawless band of mountains far in the backwoods. That was their best shot, and they took it. I'm behind them 100%. They can remove that joke about our agents never getting their man from Entertainment Weekly.

good news to all, at least the weapons they were carrying weren't used on any civilian targets.