Aid Money - to get things into perspective

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:


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I'm not a vegan, but I made an awesome Zucchini lasagna over the weekend. Two actually. I'm on a diet, so veggies are "cheaper" than meat. I've cut down drastically on the amount of meat I eat, and increased my vegetables considerably.

69lbs in 30 weeks! Woo-Hoo! I'm about 6'1 and closing in on 220lbs. I look just like Brad Pitt when I take my shirt off (except for the hairy beer belly [img]smile.gif[/img] )

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Sorry Ron, missed this post of yours completely! Well done on the weight loss, - that's awesome. I love the sound of your Zuchinni lasagna. Probably not quite vegan - did you use dairy to make the sauce? Although it's quite easy to make vegan lasangna with soya milk, which I don't like for drinking, but it works great in place of dairy for cooking!

[Cloudbringer]

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Originally posted by Neb:


EDIT: I do agree with you that it is unfair that YOU get "wrist-slapped" while Yorick doesn't, but did you consider the possibility that Cloudy might not even have SEEN that one of Yorick's posts?

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Thank you, Neb. You have a way of noticing the obvious and making us all see it. [img]smile.gif[/img] And you are right, btw.

Cloudy

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:

While we're slinging the proverbial mud, I'm none too happy with your sarcasm when someone doesn't agree with your stand. I've lost some friends on this forum (ALL OF IW) thanks to that kind of posting and I'm none too happy about it, but somehow I managed not to come in and treat you rudely, so I would expect the same in return.

Cloudy

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Sorry Cloudy, milk and water isn't my style. If that is what is required, anyone is free to tell me to go at any time, and I'll be happy to comply.

To continue with the mud frolics - you may not be rude, Cloudy, but you sure as hell can be patronising. People's different styles of interaction are what makes the forum an interesting place to be, if somewhat infuriating at times.

[Neb]

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Originally posted by Cloudbringer:



Thank you, Neb. You have a way of noticing the obvious and making us all see it. [img]smile.gif[/img] And you are right, btw.

Cloudy

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I'm sure that post wasn't meant in a mean way Cloudy, but to anyone in a bad mood it might seem way.

Now on to other things, will SC be mailing Hiram an apology or shall I mail him and tell him that I'm sure she didn't mean what she said and that I hope that he decides to return?

[Naked Wild Man]

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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:


No, I'm not joking. Number 2 is better than number 10. What I do find humorous is other nations passing judgement on US.

You're the richest you should "this". You have the most powerful military so you should "this". Do what we want because "this". Quit saying you're the best, but you need to do these things because you are the best. These are things I find pathetic.

One look at statistics and you think you can determine what American can afford to give? I think not.

Some of the cold hard facts are that lots of the nations on that list don't have to spend a large percentage of their GNP on defense. They only need a token military. They don't have to be able to head into a multi-billion dollar military "adventure" at the drop of the hat. That frees up alot of cash for those nations.

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You are missing the point entirely.

I am not saying the US should do this or that.

I am attaching the appropriate lable to what it already does.

Sure, a miser does not have to spend his wealth on the poor, but then he has no grounds for wanting to be called a generous person either.

This is not telling the US what to do, it is being accurate in descriptive language.

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Neb:


Well Cheetah, I guess you're going to have to be fed up with one more person who isn't a mod telling you what you should do, I think that it was just SLIGHTLY caustic what you said:

"Well excuse me whilst I burst into tears here. The richest country in the world has citizens in need - poor education poor medical treatment and crap food?"

That sounded kinda rude, and you could have been a BIT more caring about the americans, for anyone who cares his/her country more than I do and got such a thing said about their country I can understand that it might have hurt a bit, I think that you should, instead of asking me to try to tell him that you're sorry, email him and tell him, I probably won't get a chance to talk with him today anyway, I usually think you keep your cool and stay in control, but this time, I think you should have kept a BIT more calm, and I have to say that I disagree with both the post that I quoted at the top of my post and the one that I took a bit from a bit further down.

In my opinion, you should apologize to Cloudy and Hiram, how you do it, I care not, I just think you should.

EDIT: I do agree with you that it is unfair that YOU get "wrist-slapped" while Yorick doesn't, but did you consider the possibility that Cloudy might not even have SEEN that one of Yorick's posts?

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Neb, I'm realising that people have totally misunderstood what I meant by that remark. Perhaps reading the rest of the post makes it clearer? If you continue on, I think you will see that unconcern for the poor is not at the heart of what I meant at all.

Essentially, what I was trying to say (obviously not very well), was that in a country as rich as America, there doesn't HAVE to be the degree of poverty that there is (same goes for the UK).

Privatised services equating to a very patchy support system for those who are born in terrible circumstances do not help the poor and disadvantaged to get anything like a quality life. In the meantime, big business benefits from low corporation taxes, plus a whole slew of loopholes which allow them to rake in large profits. In my opinion, it is down to government to pass legislation which is geared to assisting all citizens to a quality life, rather than benefiting the rich and powerful who pay back favours with money for the party coffers, paying for the all singing all dancing elections which are all image and no substance.

Although, as I have said, I am not a communist, I am in favour of state provision of services, and higher taxes, especially for those with more who can afford to pay them.

As for apologising to Cloudy, sorry, I don't believe I have anything to apologise for. I'll talk to Hiram on AIM. At present, I can't get on it.

But again, I really don't think what I said in reply to his post warrants all this overreaction.

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Neb:


I'm sure that post wasn't meant in a mean way Cloudy, but to anyone in a bad mood it might seem way.

Now on to other things, will SC be mailing Hiram an apology or shall I mail him and tell him that I'm sure she didn't mean what she said and that I hope that he decides to return?

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I'll talk to him on AIM, Neb.

[Neb]

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:


As for apologising to Cloudy, sorry, I don't believe I have anything to apologise for. I'll talk to Hiram on AIM. At present, I can't get on it.

But again, I really don't think what I said in reply to his post warrants all this overreaction.

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For god's sake Silver, what do you lose by apologizing? NOTHING! What might you lose by NOT apologizing? A friend! Or maybe even more than one!

[Naked Wild Man]

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Originally posted by Magness:


On the topic of energy generation, I get very tired, very fast of protesters that always seem to be against every existing method of power generation. Opposing everything that exists gives the appearance (whether intended or not) of wanting to turn the clock back two or three hundred years.

Rather than protest against the "bad power", why not get involved in the research for developing "good power"? If the "good power" is good enough, it will defeat the "bad power" in the marketplace, both of ideas and of economics.

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Oh yes, just trust government and industry to put the necessary resouces into developing alternatives. No need for the populace to push them along, they will do it all on their own, without any pressure. It's not like they have a short term profit motive in keeping things the same, now is it? Right.

Do you actually believe what you are saying? Or are you just content to sit fat and happy, polluting the air we breath, the water we drink, and the food we eat without really giving a damn about the future?

[Ronn_Bman]

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:

To your point, Magness, about countries acting in their own interests. I agree in part. I think they do - but I am using a different definition of country. In this case the country is the collection of capitalists who control the policy. I don't think it is in the interests of the American public in the long run to bomb afghanistan, but it is happening anyway. Why did America finance bay of Pigs et al in Latin America? Were the American public threatened or were American capitalists interests threatened?

I do feel very sorry for SC as she appear to be the only anti war person on this forum apart from me. Some of the stuff on here is pretty infuriating to read and might be considered flamebait under a different light. Not attacking anyone with that - I am just saying that the atmosphere is enough to irritate anyone. So please have some patience, or sypmathy, whichever you find easier.

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I'm not really sure what you meant by being bothered by my attacking what you don't believe in?!?!

Communism as an idea is fine, but it has never been successfully used! The Soviets proved that. The Chinese are still proving it. You don't think there are haves and have nots in China? There wasn't an elite ruling class in Russia? I bet the average citizen in either of those regimes would give you an earful about communism, if they didn't fear for their life. An idea that hasn't been successfully proven is a theory. Capitalism and Democracy work!

You might not think it's in American's best interest, but as an American I do think the bombing in Afghanistan is in my best interest! I personally believe that! The Bay of Pigs? Well, if you want to go back 40 years we can, but I personally believe the overthrow of Castro was a good idea. It was less than three years after the Bay of Pigs we found Nuclear weapons in Cuba which brought the world the closest it's ever been to nuclear war. Plenty of reason there as proved by history not big business.