Newest Hamas leader killed

[Skunk]

Originally posted by johnny: The Mossad are terrorists ? wow..... you learn something new every day here.

If you set off bombs and murder people - then yes, you are terrorists. Or are we going to call Al'Qaida 'security consultants' too?

[Skunk]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: Um, everywhere? As far as I'm aware Jews are perfectly welcome here in New Zealand at least. Same with Muslims, Catholics, Presbyterians, Atheists etc etc..... although if the National party (read, the NZ version of the 'Republican' party) win the next election you can bet a good ol' dose of right-wing xenophobia is going to find it's way into official government immigration policy. It's already starting to creep in there. A bit worrisome really.

You are aware that "Jew" denotes a race as well as a faith? [/QUOTE]Yes, they are semites - as are the palestinians. Your point being? That all white europeans should live in one country, all blacks in another... [/QUOTE]Firstly, my "point" has been answered by Heirophant. Not sure why you're butting in. Jews are nation/race/people, not just a faith. This is precisely because they have been stateless for generations.

As for white/black, Palestinians, like all Arabs, are Caucasoid, not "black" or Negroid. Whereas there are Jews from across the board, including black Africans from Ethiopia. [/QUOTE]And black jews from Africa are what then? And a chinese convert is not a jew but an 'associate member' of the judaic faith?

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: quote: Originally posted by Black Baron: Well, Hierophant, we are certainly not welcome in europe, russia and gasp! arabic states. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Do you know that? I mean, have you tested that theory out for yourself? I'm not getting at you, I'm genuinely wondering. Because if it's true, and you (not your ancestors, but you) have been made to feel unwelcome in Europe, Russia, and gasp! the arabic states then that's a damn shame. Still, don't imprison yourself just because of the small-minded prejudices of other people. By all means enjoy the land you're living in now, but don't think you're unwelcome anywhere else because it just isn't true. [/QUOTE]He is correct Heirophant. He would not be able to step foot in Saudi Arabia for example. At all. Jews simply cannot visit many Muslim nations. If you've just been to Israel, you may be denied entry to Indonesia or Malaysia for example. I've had to fill out forms saying I have NOT been to Israel.

The same goes with India and Pakistan. Travel is restricted there. If you go to one, you have a harder time getting in the other. I know Indians who've been arrested as they've attempted to cross into Pakistan.

the aforementioned Armenia has closed borders with Turkey, and Azerbaijan.

There are many parts of the world, where who you are dictates whether or not you can travel there. Baron is correct in his assessment of things unfortunately. [/QUOTE]There are many countries in the west (including the US, UK and Austrailia) which forbid or severely restrict travel to residents of states deemed to be rogue or belligerent. Try entering the US from North Korea (for example) - and you won't manage it. And Israel has a habit of sending out terrorists to commit crimes on foreign soil. Witness Mossad's murders on European soil or Vannu's kidnapping in Italy for example - so the restrictions are not without good reason. [/QUOTE]Good reason?

Saudi Arabia refuses entry to JEWS Skunk. You could be an Australian citizen, never stepping foot in Israel, yet banned from entering Saudi Arabia.

And how much terrorist activity has Israel directed towards Saudi Arabia? Every single action on Israels part has been RETALIATION. Never has there been a pre-emptive strike, from the six day war to this recent assassination. Isn't self defense an international right? Israel has the right to protect it's citizens.
Additionally Israel did NOT retaliate against Husseins scud missle strikes against a nation that had nothing to do with the Gulf War.

You language and rhetoric reeks of antisemetic bias Skunk and it makes me sick.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by johnny: The Mossad are terrorists ? wow..... you learn something new every day here.

If you set off bombs and murder people - then yes, you are terrorists. Or are we going to call Al'Qaida 'security consultants' too? [/QUOTE]They started killing Palestinians on European soil, who were members of the Black September movement, responsible for the death of Israeli Athletes in the Munich Olympics. After that they started eliminating terrorists all over the globe, a very admirable act in my book. They are the only ones that actively hunt down and kill terrorists instead of sitting on their ass and complain about how cruel this world is.

They are terrorists in your eyes, they are heroes in mine.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by The Hierophant: Um, everywhere? As far as I'm aware Jews are perfectly welcome here in New Zealand at least. Same with Muslims, Catholics, Presbyterians, Atheists etc etc..... although if the National party (read, the NZ version of the 'Republican' party) win the next election you can bet a good ol' dose of right-wing xenophobia is going to find it's way into official government immigration policy. It's already starting to creep in there. A bit worrisome really.

You are aware that "Jew" denotes a race as well as a faith? [/QUOTE]Yes, they are semites - as are the palestinians. Your point being? That all white europeans should live in one country, all blacks in another... [/QUOTE]Firstly, my "point" has been answered by Heirophant. Not sure why you're butting in. Jews are nation/race/people, not just a faith. This is precisely because they have been stateless for generations.

As for white/black, Palestinians, like all Arabs, are Caucasoid, not "black" or Negroid. Whereas there are Jews from across the board, including black Africans from Ethiopia. [/QUOTE]And black jews from Africa are what then? And a chinese convert is not a jew but an 'associate member' of the judaic faith? [/QUOTE]Well now I have no idea what you're saying. I already pointed out that there are Jews who are "black" and "white". So delineation based on colour was impossible. Not sure what you're disagreeing with.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by johnny: quote: Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by johnny: The Mossad are terrorists ? wow..... you learn something new every day here.

If you set off bombs and murder people - then yes, you are terrorists. Or are we going to call Al'Qaida 'security consultants' too? [/QUOTE]They started killing Palestinians on European soil, who were members of the Black September movement, responsible for the death of Israeli Athletes in the Munich Olympics. After that they started eliminating terrorists all over the globe, a very admirable act in my book. They are the only ones that actively hunt down and kill terrorists instead of sitting on their ass and complain about how cruel this world is.

They are terrorists in your eyes, they are heroes in mine. [/QUOTE]Ah but according to Skunk, everyone's a terrorist. It's the most bandied about insult yet. Witchhunts revisited.

Israel RETALIATE. They are not a terrorist.

[Yorick]

Johnny I agree with you. Israel has TEMERITY. Much more than any other nation. Going after the heads of terror groups is the way to go IMO. Make people think twice before accepting the post and then spouting death rhetoric.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Yorick: Johnny I agree with you. Israel has TEMERITY. Much more than any other nation. Going after the heads of terror groups is the way to go IMO. Make people think twice before accepting the post and then spouting death rhetoric.

Exactly, they're sending out a message to terrorists all over the world. No matter where you hide, we'll find you and send you to your maker. I get goosebumps thinking about their action in Entebbe. That's some serious courage they showed overthere. And once again the message was very clear... don't mess with us.

Of course according to Skunk they are criminals and terrorists. Makes me wonder which planet he's from really.

[Yorick]

Yep. The lambs that walked willingly into the Nazi gas chambers are no more. I think that reality seriously underpins Israels refusal to cop this shit on the chin.

I have an enormous amount of latitude for Israel. Jews have been so wronged by so many in the past. Had the Arabic states NOT ATTACKED, there would be no Gaza/Sinai/West Bank problem. Had Hitler not attempted genocide, Israel wouldn't have been created. Had Euro governments not legislated discriminatory policies against Jews and Gypsies, the Holocaust may not have happened.

It's so messed up.

[Donut]

Originally posted by johnny: The Mossad are terrorists ? wow..... you learn something new every day here.

It's known as state sponsored terrorism. How do you justify kidnapping in a foreign country?