Legalize it? (not very minor-friendly)

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

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Originally posted by Akar Kessel:
i meant it as saying wat does pot do to help you even if it is like a cigarette it still harms you

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Ok, I'll stop arguing with you on this issue if you can inform me of one person you know who only ever does things which are for their wellbeing.

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:


Ok, I'll stop arguing with you on this issue if you can inform me of one person you know who only ever does things which are for their wellbeing.

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There are millions, millions of health-concious, fitness commited, and mental health seeking individuals who seek to minimise damaging actons and substances wherever possible.

That is a very, very lame argument of yours Talthyr. If someone put their head in a bucket three times, and pulled it out twice would you?

Man, most of the people in my circle for a start, prefer to eat healthy food. Those I know who do smoke don't go around pretending cigarettes aren't bad for them, or justify it by saying words to the effect of: "Oh well no-one else cares about their health." That would be plain wrong.

[Yorick]

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Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:


No long term side effects from drinking?? I find that notion quite laughable, many drinkers are left with slowed brain functions, slurred speech etc, and the long term physical effects are devastating.

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There are no side effects from drinking. There are side effects from excessive drinking which is different altogether. Excessive salt intake is bad for you, excessive sugar or fat intake is bad for you too.

A glass of red wine per day is actually good for you.

Moderation is the key.

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

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Originally posted by Yorick:


There are millions, millions of health-concious, fitness commited, and mental health seeking individuals who seek to minimise damaging actons and substances wherever possible.

That is a very, very lame argument of yours Talthyr. If someone put their head in a bucket three times, and pulled it out twice would you?

Man, most of the people in my circle for a start, prefer to eat healthy food. Those I know who do smoke don't go around pretending cigarettes aren't bad for them, or justify it by saying words to the effect of: "Oh well no-one else cares about their health." That would be plain wrong.

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What?? Sorry, but I don't recall having once said noone cares about these peoples health, and if people want to get fit, and eat healthy food, all the better for them, I haven't said a word against healthy living, I think you misnterpreted me, I'm saying that although people may and do try to live healthily, noone only does things which have good effects towards them, and I don't just mean doing drugs, you know, I mean minor things to which are still bad to people.
And I don't think that bucket scenario really encapsulates my argument very well at all.
Also, when did I say people should pretend things are good for them, they know what they are doing could kill them, and it's totally up to them.

EDIT: Also, if you think my argument is lame, that's probably because I feel the idea it's possible to live without harm is ridiculous, we don't live in a Utopia (and once again, I don't necessarily mean drugs here, ok!!)

[ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: Talthyr Malkaviel ]

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

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Originally posted by Yorick:



There are no side effects from drinking. There are side effects from excessive drinking which is different altogether. Excessive salt intake is bad for you, excessive sugar or fat intake is bad for you too.

A glass of red wine per day is actually good for you.

Moderation is the key.

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I suppose I should have elaborated here, I meant from excessive drinking, and I know a glass of wine a day is proven to be good for you.
If you have read earlier you may have noticed that I wrote that too much salt is bad for you, and I pointed out that if people tried to stop everything remotely harmful, it would be a very sad world to live in, that is part of the reason I am pro legalisation.

EDIT: Due to poor wording.
Also, while re-reading this, I thought that my wording may have been misleading in my earlier statements, I didn't notice anything, but if that is the case I apologise, because I don't think I meant exactly what you interpreted it as.

[ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: Talthyr Malkaviel ]

[Yorick]

No worries Talthyr. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Akar Kessel]

Sir Regis was a genius to create this topic with so many responses

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

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Originally posted by Akar Kessel:
Sir Regis was a genius to create this topic with so many responses

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Hear hear, at first he was worried it was a bit controversial, but I think it was a great idea to start, and no-one's flamed anyone at all yet, quite odd for a discussion topic.

[Sir ReGiN]

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Originally posted by Akar Kessel:
Sir Regis was a genius to create this topic with so many responses

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I'm so very proud
And glad this didn't turn into a flaming thread
And I guess we can sum this up with saying that most people are pro-legilization (at least of the ones that have posted here ) and mainly for the same reasons..
This turned out to be most interesting [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Sir Kenyth]

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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:


Not being funny Sir K, but when I did research on this issue a little while back the amount of evidence saying hash is non harmful completely overwhelmed the stuff saying it was dangerous. Also the only stuff I could find at all saying it was dangerous (I was doing a debating competition on it so I *really* needed to find both sides of the argument) was government sponsored. And that is not saying that all government sponsored reports said it was dangerous, just that all reports that said it was dangerous were government sponsored (argh, not the most precise of sentences...).

Also I don't think anyone was saying that it should be legal for minors as well. As I said earlier, it can be mentally addictive in the same way alcohol can. People need to be able to make an informed choice of what they are getting themselves into. And children can't do that (not saying that you pass a magic line of comprehension when you turn 18, just that the line between adult and child has to be drawn somewhere). So I would legalise it certainly. People can make their own choice as it is their own body to ruin/escape from (delete as best fits your point of veiw [img]tongue.gif[/img] ).

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Don't fool yourself. There is plenty of lung gunk in pot. More than tobacco because pot is grown specifically to have as much resin as possible. That sticky tarry resin is NOT good for lung tissue. The more of it, the worse it is. Impulse activity in the brain is reduced while under the effects. The effect seems to last much longer than the euphoria. Regular smokers have constant reduced brain activity compared to them not smoking. Not deadly or crippling, but detrimental. Those who smoke regular generally don't have a lot of spare brain power to lose anyway.