We reap what we sow?

[Firestormalpha]

The classic debate of Nature vs. Nurture. My personal views? They both come into play in the development of our youth. Which one takes the greater effect depends on the individual being affected. I, personally, grew up with very little influence from my parents aside from the fact that they cooked for me and payed the bills and bought my toys and took me to church as long as I can remember. They however didn't have any direct influence on my development. We never sat down and had "the talk" when I got to that special age, I got that talk from my middle school teachers, and my youth pastor. One said safe sex the other said wait till you get married. I went with the other myself, but in the end it was my decision. Overall, I think that media exposure is just a scapegoat for the way society is today. It has more to do with parents who don't teach their kids how to be civilized people than with the games movies and music. The media only serves to desensitize us.

(Umm... that's all for now. I'm starting to lose focus)

Anyways, cloud, if people post something from a Biblical or Christian point of view it is their right to do so. If someone wants to post from an athiestic, agnostic, satanic, or cultist, or any other viewpoint in the world, it is also perfectly fine. We are free to post just about anything so long as it isn't overtly offensive. (Least that's my understanding of it all.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by Vaskez: Heh, I also grew up on NWA. I decided after a few cigs that smoking wasn't for me and never had the urge to do drugs. I've never heard a rap song promote rape, and I've heard A LOT of songs, although they do promote a lot of negative things. I had a good example from my parents so knew not to take the stuff I listened to (and still do), seriously. I concentrated on the lyrical talents and good beats. Otherwise I agree with most of the post SpiritW.

Never heard a rap song promote rape? Check out Eminem (Stan) or S.P.M. (many of them) for example.

I was the same, I tried smoking and took it up, was a bit of a crazy bastard in my youth but never did any hard drugs or committed any heinious crimes. That said, I never did see the attraction in rap music. It was always IMHO, extremely stupid just for that reason : Grown men singing about killing each other and abusing their girlfriends. There had to be mroe to life than that.

[Vaskez]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: quote: Originally posted by Vaskez: Heh, I also grew up on NWA. I decided after a few cigs that smoking wasn't for me and never had the urge to do drugs. I've never heard a rap song promote rape, and I've heard A LOT of songs, although they do promote a lot of negative things. I had a good example from my parents so knew not to take the stuff I listened to (and still do), seriously. I concentrated on the lyrical talents and good beats. Otherwise I agree with most of the post SpiritW.

Never heard a rap song promote rape? Check out Eminem (Stan) or S.P.M. (many of them) for example.

I was the same, I tried smoking and took it up, was a bit of a crazy bastard in my youth but never did any hard drugs or committed any heinious crimes. That said, I never did see the attraction in rap music. It was always IMHO, extremely stupid just for that reason : Grown men singing about killing each other and abusing their girlfriends. There had to be mroe to life than that. [/QUOTE]Well we don't wanna turn this into a rap debate, but rap is about FAR more than what you say. I can list dozens of songs that deal with deep, important themes and give a good moral message.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by Vaskez: quote: Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: quote: Originally posted by Vaskez: Heh, I also grew up on NWA. I decided after a few cigs that smoking wasn't for me and never had the urge to do drugs. I've never heard a rap song promote rape, and I've heard A LOT of songs, although they do promote a lot of negative things. I had a good example from my parents so knew not to take the stuff I listened to (and still do), seriously. I concentrated on the lyrical talents and good beats. Otherwise I agree with most of the post SpiritW.

Never heard a rap song promote rape? Check out Eminem (Stan) or S.P.M. (many of them) for example.

I was the same, I tried smoking and took it up, was a bit of a crazy bastard in my youth but never did any hard drugs or committed any heinious crimes. That said, I never did see the attraction in rap music. It was always IMHO, extremely stupid just for that reason : Grown men singing about killing each other and abusing their girlfriends. There had to be mroe to life than that. [/QUOTE]Well we don't wanna turn this into a rap debate, but rap is about FAR more than what you say. I can list dozens of songs that deal with deep, important themes and give a good moral message. [/QUOTE]There are some. But the popular majority and all that do promote a bunch of crap. Moral message rap does not (to my knowledge..?) sell very well. Violence sells. Being a rebel sells.

[Gabrielles blades]

I disagree with most of this slippery slope of arguement

to spank or not to spank is as was mentioned a choice that should stem from the psychology of the particular child.

whether or not the school spanks ties into the above - it could very well foster a deep hatred of society/authority figures in 1 kid, or straighten out another.

abortions, so long as the young person is able to pay for it in emotion and monetary loss on their own, then it really isnt anyones business but their own. just as its none of anyones business for an older woman.

giving condums is actually a good idea - it isnt that boys will be boys, its that young people will be young people. giving away the condums simply promotes safer sex. if they didnt give them away they would probably just do without.

what anyone does in private, so long as its not demented/evil/logically illegal, is no ones business but the people participating. i especially dislike laws which try to restrict what kind of sexual intercourse one is legally allowed to undertake with ones own wife. So, yes it is the presidents own business.

Nude art has been popular for probably as long as humans started making art in the first place. way back when, they for example made those sexy statues of women with no arms n such.

as far as im aware child porno is illegal so im not sure what your referring to on that one.

If your going to go after the entertainment industry for 'promoting' those things, your dead wrong. they make those types of entertainment because thats the sort of entertainment thats been popular for thousands of years. Go way back to ancient greece for example, and they glorify militaristic 'heros' just as much as we glorify them today.

the reason why our kids are turning out as badly as they are is more than likely because parents just dont have time now adays to do their job as parents.

[Bungleau]

Okay, just for Vask... Chocolate chip cookies, nothing more...

I drafted a first response, but it's about equal in length to a Harry Potter book. Way too much. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The brief version: The article, as presented, is very presumptuous and assumptive about what we do and think. In most of the cases listed, I believe it's wrong. But by simply reading, you would assume that most people accepted, for example, kiddie porn.

That's the same false reasoning that could lead you to assume the Bible is about murder, rape, sex, and so on.

The difference is the context. Had the article rallied for improving parents and leaders roles in giving children a context to interpret these things, I'd be more interested. But by using it as an excuse to get rid of music, movies, TV, and other things, they're trying to cover up the lack of context. Those things appeal because there's an opening for them -- some sort of need. Fill it with something else (by providing context), and you'll get different results.

Your interpretation of the Bible gives you the context of cause and effect, action and reaction. Someone else could read it and come up with something different. Heck, there's a whole sect built around the "he shall handle the serpent" verse... don't remember it exactly, but taking the Bible out of context is nothing new.

Read each of the points and added conclusions in the article, and see if you agree with them. I personally don't, at least not all. So agreeing with a final conclusion whose logical support I disagree with... just isn't feasible.

[Boutte]

If some one has already said this forgive me.

Every generation thinks next generation is doomed. My parents thought all us hippies were going to ruin the country because we believed in free love smoked pot and wore funny clothes. My Mom's mom thought she was going to hell because she did the Jitter bug. Before that parents were agahst if there daughter showed her ankles.

They were wrong look how great the world is today. Hmm on second thought...