06-18-2003, 03:41 PM | #21 |
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What we need to do is get rid of all the worlds leaders, including congresses, parliaments and what-not, and reorganize government so that its more service, where you live off donations and don't get paid as much as congress does. If we do that and put some common sense into political parties (which George Washington said would be the ruin of the country) then maybe we could advance as a planet instead of countries. Unite into a large republic or something of the like.
But its nice to dream even if you know it wont happen.
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06-18-2003, 03:44 PM | #22 | |
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What ever became of those mobile labs they found a while back? There was speculation they were used to be used for something. [/QUOTE]Do you mean these trucks? Blow to Blair over 'mobile labs' Quote:
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As for how a dollar is taxed .... well with multiple levels of taxation, all you do is decrease the value of that dollar at each level - forcing everyone, gov included to loose out. [/QUOTE]The practial purpose of the wealth redistribution aspect of a progressive income tax system is just that: to redistribute wealth. And there a people out there, like me, who believe that that purpose is an absolutely indispensable one in a free market economy, a system with many wonderful inherent advantages, but also some inherent drawbacks, with one of the most important being that it produces an steadily increasing degree of social inequality, if left completely unregulated. Yes, the efficiency of the mechanisms used for that purpose is of course highly debatable.
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Nope they pay exactly the same, everything you just said is nothing but sheer propaganda created by accountants and lawyers to confuse the issue. Jay Rockefeller would pay the same $ amount on a whoopi cushion as Homeboyz would. You call it regressive, I call it fair. All the crap about it hitting the poor hardest is just crap to excuse the idea of taking money away from people who have more than someone else. It is anti-capitalistic and it is anti-accomplishment. You want to rake those who succeed over the coals just because they succeeded. We see things differently, and we will not solve that difference. There is no moral rationale (that I can agree on) that says it is ok to charge fred $1 in taxes but you charge Charlie $73 in taxes...on the same item. Perhaps it is philosophy and not accountancy that is at work here. Edit: I want to make clear I only favor taxing non-life essentials, not food, water, medicines or shelter. Transactions on those items would be exempt since Everyone needs them....But things like DVD players ...now ther e is where Joe Six pack shoul pay exactly the same tax $$$ amount as JP Morgan [ 06-18-2003, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ] |
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What ever became of those mobile labs they found a while back? There was speculation they were used to be used for something. [/QUOTE]Do you mean these trucks? Blow to Blair over 'mobile labs' Quote:
You know...you cannot show me a single live footage shot from any of the photogs in the field in Iraq that depict an "artillery" balloon....oh and you forgot to mention the Uranium Enrichment tools that were ment for "peacful energy projects only" of course this comes from one of the most oil rich nations on the planet and doesnt need nuclear energy production and it would in fact be too expensive compared to their oil genertaor stations.... |
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06-18-2003, 06:25 PM | #27 |
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Less forceful emphatic hyperbole and more (or some) actual physical evidence that hasn't been discredited would help the case on WOMD a whole lot more. It seems to me that Blair and Howard are taking much more heat over this issue in their countries than what Bush is back home. In OZ and GB, the "we put our faith in G Dubbya and we still believe him" approach of the leaders is not playing well to the masses. Just my 2c.
On taxation - well I sit somewhat between the income tax and the goods and services taxes. I support statements that shift some of the burden of taxes to the broad base of consumption rather that basing solely on income. Income tax is regressive in that it kills the desire and reward to anybody that is trying to better themselves in life. I think a mix is required though, so a low level of consumption tax (ie 10%) on as broad a base as possible, and make up the budget shortfall in income tax. And yeah - local and regional goverents are a waste of time, and contribute to keeping my income tax rate up higher than it should be.
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And which Uranium enrichment tools are you refering too? These aren't from like 10 years ago or anything are they? A link would be nice and since this topic is off-topic and kind of against Ziroc's wishes with regards to war talk in the GD forum you can PM me a link if you have or find one. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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