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While we're on the subject of nitpicking, is "consciencious" even a word? I thought it was spelled "conscientious", and I'm just wondering why someone would even bother using big words when they don't know how to spell them correctly. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
My dictionary denies the correctness or even the existence of "consciencious", but when I perform a google-search on the word, I actually still get 14,800 (!) results. Is it just spelled differently in the US then, or is it really that often mis-spelled, relatively speaking? [ 06-15-2003, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ] |
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Also, Reeka is right. Language is primarily a phenomenon that manifests itself in spoken forms - give precedence to the pronunciation, not the spelling. Don't complain that people do not say the word as it is spelled. Complain that the word is not spelled as it is pronounced. In any case, people are too hung up on correct pronunciation. We use language for communication, and as long as that is achieved, there is no problem. There are plenty of words that have alternative pronunciations. Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. Is one the proper pronunciation, and the other improper? Not at all. We simply have two accepted tokens that both represent the same concept - a tomato. Karaoke is the same. We have 3 tokens that all represent the concept of Karaoke. One is not correct, and the others incorrect. They are all correct because they are all understood as representing the concept. This is repeated all over the language. Anyone who tries to tell you that there is a proper method of pronunciation that is correct, and any deviations are incorrect, is just a fool. [/QUOTE]Well alrighty then. Thank you for correcting me. And sorry about the misspelling.
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Secondly, yes - that word is often 'misspelled'. It's quite a common occurrence in words containing a "sh" sound that a native speaker will be unsure about the exact combination of letters used. That's the way it is in England, anyway. I don't know about a 'US spelling'. Thirdly, back to dictionaries - Again I have to stress that they are not the be-all and end-all of definitions. Ask any native English speaker what the word "livid" means, and 95% of them will give you a definition along the lines of "terribly angry". Ask them to describe a livid person and they will describe someone whose face is flushed with rage and anger. What do dictionaries say about livid? That it means "pale faced with anger." So what does livid mean? Anyone who subscribed to the "dictionaries are always right" line of thought would tell you that "pale faced with anger" is correct (or if an American dictionary ahs a different definition, then whatever that is). Anyone who is actually concerned with the usage of a word would tell you that livid means what speakers use it to mean. This, of course, is just one example amongst thousands. I used to think of dictionaries as being a final arbiter of correctness too, but my education, far from confirming that in my mind, actually turned me completely around. Now I see dictionaries as being far less important than I ever would have thought 10 years ago. Oh, and another point - in spite of the fact she spelled it incorrectly, you still understood what she meant. This does not invalidate her use of the word. rather it confirms that preceise spellings and pronunciations are of far less importance than we would deem, as the primary use of language - effective communication - was achieved successfully. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Haven't seen it being used that often either in English, but perhaps I'm just not paying enough attention to really notice it. I'm not a native English speaker, anyways. And you were able to edit it? Ah! Wasn't aware Ziroc disabled the time limit of the edit function. Good news, in my opinion. [img]smile.gif[/img] And Bardan, thanks for the explanation! Though don't tell me there aren't any spelling errors which don't make your blood boil or at least make you scream out in helpless frustration; I can't imagine you'd make a similar plea for every single one of the spelling errors you come across, even when the meaning *is* perfectly clear. [ 06-15-2003, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ] |
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