Wild mage taking over 2nd place

[daan]

I think, with a *little* cheese, the wild mage is our next contender for ectremely powerfull. At highest lvl a wild mage has about 5 - 6 1st lvl spells slots. If he then combines 3 improved chaos shields ( Chain contingency ), he has a 75 point bonus. ( it stacks when in triggers/contingencies )
75 + 31 = 106 , which means a normal effect every time.

NRD behaves like Improved alacrity, so thats 5 - 6 lvl 9 spells cast at alacrity-speed. And then you still have your memorized 4 - 5 lvl 9 spells.

With robe of vecna + amulet of power, this guy has some serieus high lvl casting ability.

( I say 5 - 6 and 4 - 5 because im not entirely sure, i think its 6 and 5,
'cause the wild mage has the xtra spell-slot per lvl of a specialist mage )

Any thoughts/comments ? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-10-2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: daan ]

[Annatar]

Isn't Wild Mage a char of the ToB Expansion?... There for I think this Thread belongs in the ToB forum.. because as myself I do not have ToB installed so...

I think you can get more thoughts/comments about this subject there...

[daan]

[img]tongue.gif[/img] true i guess .. but ah well, posted now anywayz.
And scrap the " a lot of lvl 9 spells " thing, make it infinite.

Alson, with the limited wish-recharge trick,.. isn't it actually possible to have infinite lvl 9 spells ?

[Brennihelvete]

Yap but thats combined with wish and not limited wish [img]smile.gif[/img] , wich is a ToB spell. Whith Wish you can get an option to make it as if the party had rested and everyone in the party regains their spells. Theres another way though thats mentioned on the spell reference which includes Spelltrap and project images and some word spells...

The wild mage would be more powerful then the mage but lesser powerful than the sorceror IMHO...

[Annatar]

Originally posted by Brennihelvete: Yap but thats combined with wish and not limited wish [img]smile.gif[/img] , wich is a ToB spell. Whith Wish you can get an option to make it as if the party had rested and everyone in the party regains their spells. Theres another way though thats mentioned on the spell reference which includes Spelltrap and project images and some word spells... The wild mage would be more powerful then the mage but lesser powerful than the sorceror IMHO...

in Dundee's sig there are some links to Spell references. Also about your question Daan (about the Infinty exploit of spells)

[daan]

Nope, limited wish is all it takes.
A wild mage can cast any spell he knows through Nahal's reckless dweomer.
( important: He doesnt need to have the spell memorized, just scribed once )
Problem with NRD is, that you allmost always get a wild surge ( bad ).
The spell reference however, provides two pieces of information that make all the worries go away:

1. Improved chaos shield ( +25 bonus to wild surge roll ) stacks if you put it in a contingency. This means +75 bonus. With the mage's lvl added up to that, you can reach over 100 ( 100 means a normal cast )

2. With limited wish, and a wis. of 16 or higher, you -allways- get the option to restore all your spells, which results in the rememorisation of all(I think)
lvl 1 - 4 spells.

Combining 1 and 2, you can cast lvl 9 spells through your NRD
( a lvl 1 spell ) and keep refreshing those lvl 1 spells with limited wish.
Simply cast limited wish through another NRD to be able to cast into infinity.

Another thing worth noting, found in the spell reference,.. is that NRD acts like Improved Alacrity ( ToB-spell ) which means no pauses between casting spells.

So, harnassing the allpowerfull knowledge of the spell reference,.. you're casting lvl 9 spells without pause, to stop only for asking a refill [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Eternal]

awww man.....i shoulda gotten tob sooner, then id picked a wildmage, heck he doesnt even have any opposing classes

hmmmm i think il think about changing my conjurer into a wild mage,,,,perhaps.

[Alson]

Originally posted by daan: Alson, with the limited wish-recharge trick,.. isn't it actually possible to have infinite lvl 9 spells ?

Yes, it is, as long as you solve the Wild Surges issue. [img]smile.gif[/img]

1. Improved chaos shield ( +25 bonus to wild surge roll ) stacks if you put it in a contingency. This means +75 bonus. With the mage's lvl added up to that, you can reach over 100 ( 100 means a normal cast )

Slight nitpick - Chain Contingency.

2. With limited wish, and a wis. of 16 or higher, you -allways- get the option to restore all your spells, which results in the rememorisation of all(I think) lvl 1 - 4 spells.

Hmmm.. I'm not 100% sure that it restores all of your level 1-4 spells, but it certainly restores enough for the tactic to be effective.

Another thing worth noting, found in the spell reference,.. is that NRD acts like Improved Alacrity ( ToB-spell ) which means no pauses between casting spells.

... which makes NRD so utterly cheesy.
On a side note, Contingency & Chain Contingency also behaves in the same manner.

So, harnassing the allpowerfull knowledge of the spell reference,..

[img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

There are three variants to Endless Spells:
(a) The well known Wish -> Rest option.
(b) The less known Spell Trap -> clones -> yada.
(c) The very non-trivial NRD which Daan is refering to.

From my personal experience, (a) goes best with Sorcerers, (b) goes best with Mages and (c) works best (and only) with Wild Mage. (c) is also the most fun, if you ask me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[daan]

Alson..Im just lifting your spirit up, so that the inevitable and unavoidable downfall of the spell reference will be all the harder
*proceeds to copy/paste in the spelling-checker*

[Alson]

The Holy Triplet WILL last.

The Reference WILL survive.

All opposition WILL be pulverized.

See it as a warning. I shall say no more.