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04-09-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Melusine:

Quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:

You know I read that twice and still thought you said "our" and not Your [img]smile.gif[/img] My apologies.. I actually thought I had learned something new too LOL

'Fraid not...
Though of course most Amsterdam citizens do speak English, so if you'd ever visit here, theoretically speaking of course, it would be just like we *did* have English as our native language. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ok so while we are on the subject..what is the actual "native tongue" in amsterdam? Unfortunately the City is actually off limits to me due to some regulations about security clearences and travel [/QUOTE]

Melusine · 04-09-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by MagiK:

Ok so while we are on the subject..what is the actual "native tongue" in amsterdam? Unfortunately the City is actually off limits to me due to some regulations about security clearences and travel

[/QB][/QUOTE]

Sorry to hear that Magik, but er... what do you mean actual native tongue? The official first language of the Netherlands is Dutch, or didn't you mean that? Anyway, since I was accused of offtopicness once already, maybe this is a topic better abandoned or continued in a different thread. [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

04-09-2003, 02:33 PM

PM Sent your way Mel [img]smile.gif[/img]

Grojlach · 04-09-2003, 04:36 PM

Back on topic again...

Journalists snub Straw and Spanish premier

Journalists in Madrid have snubbed Jack Straw and Spain's prime minister in protest at the death of a Spanish cameraman killed in a Baghdad hotel by a US tank shell.
Premier Jose Maria Aznar arrived at the Senate to find the floor outside the chamber littered with notebooks and cameras and up to 40 journalists standing in stony silence.

Mr Aznar supports the war, but Spain has not sent troops to fight alongside the US and British forces operating in Iraq.

Meanwhile, about 20 reporters walked out of a press conference in the capital featuring Mr Straw just one question.

One Spanish journalist had asked Mr Straw's counterpart Ana Palacio about reports US forces had declared the Palestine Hotel - where most foreign reporters were staying - a military target 48 hours prior to the blast that killed Jose Couso and Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk.

Mr Palacio was evasive, referring to comments by Spain's Defence Minister Federico Trillo, who last night recommended Spanish journalists leave Baghdad because the city had grown too dangerous.

Mr Couso was killed at the hotel on Tuesday. Another Spanish reporter, Julio Anguita Parrado, died on Monday when an Iraqi missile hit a US military position south of the capital.

Mr Aznar was targeted again later today when a group of photographers who usually gather round to film him taking his seat in parliament suddenly turned their backs on him and held up photos of Mr Couso. Opposition MPs clapped.

© Associated Press

Source: Ananova

[ 04-09-2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Skunk · 04-09-2003, 06:24 PM

Aznar is never going to recover from this afair...

Lanesra · 04-09-2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MagiK:

Quote:
Originally posted by norompanlasolas:
well, i dont know any latin. cv is how its commonly said here in spain. oh, and as far as i can tell, a smilie doesnt cover up the punches very well james. [img]smile.gif[/img] see, i even left you an example free of charge.

I insist that if you persist in misnaming me (accusing me of claiming to be both James Bond and Rambo) that you at least call me Jimbo or use my proper name. other wise I will have to decide that you are flaming me personally...as for punches [img]smile.gif[/img] I didn't feel a thing. [/QUOTE]Quite right Jambo. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Skunk · 04-10-2003, 05:43 PM

Silenced in the name
of freedom

By Paul Belden

AMMAN - Some reporters can pull off the fashion trick
of wearing a military helmet without looking ridiculous, but not Tariq Ayyoub.
He had a round open face that just wasn't suited for it. And none of those
strap-on steel hardhats ever seemed to stay upright on his head. They always
went slipping down one side of his face or the other during stand-ups, making
him appear like a rained-on goof.

That was too bad, because the man was a fighter. None of his friends or family
members can even remember the number of times he was arrested for practicing
journalism as an al-Jazeera producer in a region still struggling with the
concept of openness and a free press. "Oh, many many times," said Khalid, his
brother. "I can't count them."

The most recent time was just a couple weeks ago when Tariq reported on rumors
of American military movements near the al-Ruwasheid border area in Jordan and
got brought in for questioning, again. Nothing stuck, however, and within the
week he had that helmet back on his head and was reporting live from Baghdad.
Being Jordanian, the bastard didn't need a visa, unlike journalists from many
other countries.

I call him that, with affection, for Tariq was my friend. Of course, he had no
business being my friend - I only arrived in town in mid-February, an annoying
new-guy reporter looking for contacts - and an American, by no means anybody's
favorite flavor of the moment. But Tariq had graciously taken the time to show
me some ropes, give me some phone numbers, pass me some tips, always in his
distinctive clipped Queen's-English accent that held within it a hint of India.

I'd like to say that it was my irresistible charm at work, but no such thing -
Tariq did what he did for me for everybody. He took a look at you, and then he
made you a friend. It was just the way he was.

Which was probably why Tariq had so many friends. People repaid him in kind. He
earned the sort of loyalty and respect that doesn't come through by being a
braggart or a bully-boy, so common in journalism. He won hearts and minds by
setting an example of bravery and honesty and kindness that others couldn't help
but seek to emulate.

"If you write one thing about him," said Sawsan abu-Hamdeh, al-Jazeera's Amman
correspondent, "say this: Tariq was an honest man. He was incorruptible."

As the world now knows, Tariq Ayyoub was killed on Tuesday morning when two or
more American missiles hit the al-Jazeera office on the west bank of the Tigris
river in Baghdad. Tariq was standing on the rooftop at the time, reporting on a
battle that was shaping up several hundred meters to the south. The Palestine
Hotel, haunt of journalists, was also hit that morning, killing two journalists,
as well as the office of Abu Dhabi TV, located about 300 meters upriver from
where Tariq was killed.

The Pentagon said on Tuesday that it would never intentionally target
independent journalists in general, or al-Jazeera in particular. Pentagon
spokesman Bryan G Whitman went so far as to tell the Washington Post newspaper
on Wednesday, "Not only are we not trying to silence their [al-Jazeera's]
journalists, we're one of the few countries that has not expelled their
journalists." It seemed a weird thing to say of somebody with Tariq's record of
journalistic bravery, but never mind. Maybe they saw that helmet and thought he
was going to jump down from that rooftop and charge a tank.

But it doesn't matter. Every street vendor and taxi driver in Amman knows the
circumstances of Tariq's death, and to say that anybody here is buying any part
of that crap for a heartbeat would be to commit a severe overstatement of fact.
"Of course they meant to kill him - for Christ's sake, he was standing on the
roof! Two bombs came in and blew it apart," said Serene Halasa, a former al-Jazeera
correspondent whose first job in journalism was working under Tariq. "The lies
they tell - they're insulting. Without honor."

Halasa was one of a crowd of Tariq's friends and colleagues who had crowded at
the al-Jazeera offices in Amman on Tuesday to stand in front of a ceiling-high
bank of television screens and watch a re-run of the last report Tariq had filed
from Baghdad. It was a piece about how ordinary Iraqis were trying to maintain a
scrap of normality in their lives while street battles raged a few kilometers
away. He showed people shopping, cooking, doing normal things.

"Probably this is just the calm before the storm," he said in the wrap-up. There
was no blood in the piece - that came later, with the footage of Tariq's body
being carried out to a car in a blood-stained blanket later that day.

After Tariq's last piece, the bank of screens in the al-Jazeera office cut to
live coverage of US President George W Bush and British Prime Minister Tony
Blair making important promises to the people of Iraq. It was somewhat
unfortunate timing: their eyes red and glistening, people in the room began
spitting on the screen. "Liars," they said. "Killers." And so on.

Tariq Ayyoub was born in 1968 in Kuwait to a Palestinian family that originally
hailed from Nablus. His family moved to Jordan in 1990 as refugees of the first
Gulf War. He earned a scholarship to study economics (a bachelor's degree) and
English literature (master's) at university in Kolkata, India, after which he
returned to Jordan to pursue a career in journalism. Before joining al-Jazeera,
he worked as a producer for APTN and wrote for the English-language daily The
Jordan Times. He is survived by his wife, Dima, and a one-year-old daughter,
Fatmeh.

In a covered parking lot across from the Ayyoub family home in Amman on Tuesday,
a group of old men sat in rows on small white plastic chairs waiting for Tariq's
father to arrive. He finally did, looking old and gray and tired in his
red-and-black kaffiyeh (scarf), a whitened stubble sprinkling his weathered
cheeks.

As the men in the room rose one by one to kiss him on both cheeks in the
traditional Arab greeting, many whispered in his ear the words shahid, shahid.
Meaning, Your son Tariq is a martyr.

One of the men, noticing my obvious outsider status, asked me where I came from:
"Ah, the land of the free," he said. "Tariq was a fighter for freedom, also.
Freedom of speech? You know this, I think? Tariq also fought for this."

Davros · 04-10-2003, 06:16 PM

Thanks for the article Skunk [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] . Puts a more human face on the story of what until now has been a "One reporter died" story.

04-11-2003, 09:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Lanesra:

Quote:

Originally posted by MagiK:
[qb] Quite right Jambo. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hmm hadn't considered Jambo [img]smile.gif[/img]

Launches into song..."ohhhhhh...you can call me Jimbo, or you can call me Jambo, or you can call me MagiK but ya doesn't have to call me Johnson."

[ 04-11-2003, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

04-11-2003, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Davros:
Thanks for the article Skunk [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] . Puts a more human face on the story of what until now has been a "One reporter died" story.

Im sure that many a fallen person could have an equally profound epitaph. Where are the lamantations for the tortured souls of opression, who crys for those who perished in the under ground cells and torture chambers....only those who loved them as father, or husband, brother, or son. At least the fallen reporter chose to put himself in harms way

[ 04-11-2003, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

04-09-2003, 04:36 PM	#74
Grojlach Zartan Join Date: May 2, 2001 Location: Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum Age: 44 Posts: 5,281	Back on topic again... Journalists snub Straw and Spanish premier Journalists in Madrid have snubbed Jack Straw and Spain's prime minister in protest at the death of a Spanish cameraman killed in a Baghdad hotel by a US tank shell. Premier Jose Maria Aznar arrived at the Senate to find the floor outside the chamber littered with notebooks and cameras and up to 40 journalists standing in stony silence. Mr Aznar supports the war, but Spain has not sent troops to fight alongside the US and British forces operating in Iraq. Meanwhile, about 20 reporters walked out of a press conference in the capital featuring Mr Straw just one question. One Spanish journalist had asked Mr Straw's counterpart Ana Palacio about reports US forces had declared the Palestine Hotel - where most foreign reporters were staying - a military target 48 hours prior to the blast that killed Jose Couso and Reuters cameraman Taras Protsyuk. Mr Palacio was evasive, referring to comments by Spain's Defence Minister Federico Trillo, who last night recommended Spanish journalists leave Baghdad because the city had grown too dangerous. Mr Couso was killed at the hotel on Tuesday. Another Spanish reporter, Julio Anguita Parrado, died on Monday when an Iraqi missile hit a US military position south of the capital. Mr Aznar was targeted again later today when a group of photographers who usually gather round to film him taking his seat in parliament suddenly turned their backs on him and held up photos of Mr Couso. Opposition MPs clapped. © Associated Press Source: Ananova [ 04-09-2003, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ] __________________ [url]\"http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Grobbel/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://www.denness.net/rpi/username/Grobbel\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

04-10-2003, 05:43 PM	#77
Skunk Banned User Join Date: September 3, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 63 Posts: 1,463	Silenced in the name of freedom By Paul Belden AMMAN - Some reporters can pull off the fashion trick of wearing a military helmet without looking ridiculous, but not Tariq Ayyoub. He had a round open face that just wasn't suited for it. And none of those strap-on steel hardhats ever seemed to stay upright on his head. They always went slipping down one side of his face or the other during stand-ups, making him appear like a rained-on goof. That was too bad, because the man was a fighter. None of his friends or family members can even remember the number of times he was arrested for practicing journalism as an al-Jazeera producer in a region still struggling with the concept of openness and a free press. "Oh, many many times," said Khalid, his brother. "I can't count them." The most recent time was just a couple weeks ago when Tariq reported on rumors of American military movements near the al-Ruwasheid border area in Jordan and got brought in for questioning, again. Nothing stuck, however, and within the week he had that helmet back on his head and was reporting live from Baghdad. Being Jordanian, the bastard didn't need a visa, unlike journalists from many other countries. I call him that, with affection, for Tariq was my friend. Of course, he had no business being my friend - I only arrived in town in mid-February, an annoying new-guy reporter looking for contacts - and an American, by no means anybody's favorite flavor of the moment. But Tariq had graciously taken the time to show me some ropes, give me some phone numbers, pass me some tips, always in his distinctive clipped Queen's-English accent that held within it a hint of India. I'd like to say that it was my irresistible charm at work, but no such thing - Tariq did what he did for me for everybody. He took a look at you, and then he made you a friend. It was just the way he was. Which was probably why Tariq had so many friends. People repaid him in kind. He earned the sort of loyalty and respect that doesn't come through by being a braggart or a bully-boy, so common in journalism. He won hearts and minds by setting an example of bravery and honesty and kindness that others couldn't help but seek to emulate. "If you write one thing about him," said Sawsan abu-Hamdeh, al-Jazeera's Amman correspondent, "say this: Tariq was an honest man. He was incorruptible." As the world now knows, Tariq Ayyoub was killed on Tuesday morning when two or more American missiles hit the al-Jazeera office on the west bank of the Tigris river in Baghdad. Tariq was standing on the rooftop at the time, reporting on a battle that was shaping up several hundred meters to the south. The Palestine Hotel, haunt of journalists, was also hit that morning, killing two journalists, as well as the office of Abu Dhabi TV, located about 300 meters upriver from where Tariq was killed. The Pentagon said on Tuesday that it would never intentionally target independent journalists in general, or al-Jazeera in particular. Pentagon spokesman Bryan G Whitman went so far as to tell the Washington Post newspaper on Wednesday, "Not only are we not trying to silence their [al-Jazeera's] journalists, we're one of the few countries that has not expelled their journalists." It seemed a weird thing to say of somebody with Tariq's record of journalistic bravery, but never mind. Maybe they saw that helmet and thought he was going to jump down from that rooftop and charge a tank. But it doesn't matter. Every street vendor and taxi driver in Amman knows the circumstances of Tariq's death, and to say that anybody here is buying any part of that crap for a heartbeat would be to commit a severe overstatement of fact. "Of course they meant to kill him - for Christ's sake, he was standing on the roof! Two bombs came in and blew it apart," said Serene Halasa, a former al-Jazeera correspondent whose first job in journalism was working under Tariq. "The lies they tell - they're insulting. Without honor." Halasa was one of a crowd of Tariq's friends and colleagues who had crowded at the al-Jazeera offices in Amman on Tuesday to stand in front of a ceiling-high bank of television screens and watch a re-run of the last report Tariq had filed from Baghdad. It was a piece about how ordinary Iraqis were trying to maintain a scrap of normality in their lives while street battles raged a few kilometers away. He showed people shopping, cooking, doing normal things. "Probably this is just the calm before the storm," he said in the wrap-up. There was no blood in the piece - that came later, with the footage of Tariq's body being carried out to a car in a blood-stained blanket later that day. After Tariq's last piece, the bank of screens in the al-Jazeera office cut to live coverage of US President George W Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair making important promises to the people of Iraq. It was somewhat unfortunate timing: their eyes red and glistening, people in the room began spitting on the screen. "Liars," they said. "Killers." And so on. Tariq Ayyoub was born in 1968 in Kuwait to a Palestinian family that originally hailed from Nablus. His family moved to Jordan in 1990 as refugees of the first Gulf War. He earned a scholarship to study economics (a bachelor's degree) and English literature (master's) at university in Kolkata, India, after which he returned to Jordan to pursue a career in journalism. Before joining al-Jazeera, he worked as a producer for APTN and wrote for the English-language daily The Jordan Times. He is survived by his wife, Dima, and a one-year-old daughter, Fatmeh. In a covered parking lot across from the Ayyoub family home in Amman on Tuesday, a group of old men sat in rows on small white plastic chairs waiting for Tariq's father to arrive. He finally did, looking old and gray and tired in his red-and-black kaffiyeh (scarf), a whitened stubble sprinkling his weathered cheeks. As the men in the room rose one by one to kiss him on both cheeks in the traditional Arab greeting, many whispered in his ear the words shahid, shahid. Meaning, Your son Tariq is a martyr. One of the men, noticing my obvious outsider status, asked me where I came from: "Ah, the land of the free," he said. "Tariq was a fighter for freedom, also. Freedom of speech? You know this, I think? Tariq also fought for this." (©2003 Asia Times Online Co, Ltd. All rights reserved.) http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED10Ak05.html [ 04-11-2003, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ]

04-10-2003, 06:16 PM	#78
Davros Takhisis Follower Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Mandurah, West Australia Age: 61 Posts: 5,073	Thanks for the article Skunk [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] . Puts a more human face on the story of what until now has been a "One reporter died" story. __________________ Davros was right - just ask JD

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