Should Van Tuong be hanged?

[Orbost]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by johnny: It's about time someone speaks out against those Singapore dickheads, they can't be sanctioned enough as far as i'm concerned.

Speaking in personal capacity here. Disregard my status for the moment.

If supporting the death penalty makes me appear to be a dickhead in your opinion, then so be it.

He could have smuggled cigarettes( which, by the way, is quite a big problem here, because hey, you don't swing if you get caught, and dang is it profitable). He could have also smuggled liquor, or pirated DVDs( which any local Singaporean and/or Malaysian will tell you is profitable as well, if you don't get caught that is).

But no. He chose to smuggle heroin. Fine, so he decided to smuggle drugs, but even then, I say again, he chose to smuggle the very drug that has the most extreme penalties over here.

I do not support the drug trade, but I am telling you that he could have taken other options, like esctasy, opium, etc... but heck no, he chose to smuggle heroin.

Or even better, he could have smuggled it to a country that has no death penalty, but what do you know? He chose to smuggle it through Singapore, where we practically stop short of literally beating it into your brains that it is really not a good idea to smuggle drugs in here.

He chose his fate. It is as simple as that.

So yes, I agree with his sentencing. [/QUOTE]Dundee, you make out as though he is some drug-trafficking criminal mastermind. He's not - he's just a dumb, gullible kid, who was given an opportunity to make some easy money to help out his brother. He is a mule,a donkey, an ass. The real criminal is those who source the drugs and then pay stupid kids to smuggle it for them.

And while you defend your country's stance on drugs, would you also care to defend your country's close ties with the military junta in Burma where most of S'pore's heroin trade comes from? Why is that when the rest of the world ostracises this wholly illegal regime for their dire human rights, repression of the media and democracy movements, and monster drugs trade, Singapore supports it?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in happily hanging the idiots who smuggle a few grams of heroin, while at the same time buddying up to the major producer of heroin in your region?

[Sir Degrader]

Don't change the issue Orbost. A kid he may be, but he broke the law. He must be punished.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by johnny: How is that making things worse ? If they adjust their laws regarding drugs, there's nothing wrong, and it will be business as usual. If not, well then the consequences are theirs. If you insist in acting like barbarians, then expect to be treated likewise.

Trade sanctions tend to galvanize the government you sanction, and bode ill for its citizens. Unless you think we've had great success with Cuba or Iraq, I don't think you can support this statement.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Don't change the issue Orbost. A kid he may be, but he broke the law. He must be punished.

Well, now there's an enlightened world view.

[Sir Degrader]

A narrow view is the best. It allows for no dissent, and quickly answer the most puzzling of questions. The only trouble is, is it the RIGHT answer?

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: A narrow view is the best. It allows for no dissent, and quickly answer the most puzzling of questions. The only trouble is, is it the RIGHT answer?

Which is where the broad view comes in handy [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Sir Degrader]

No, that's when I reach for my Bible. I won't go into that here, needless to say, I'm leading a good life at the moment. Anyways, UPDATE:
Van Tuong's executioner has been SACKED!

[johnny]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Don't change the issue Orbost. A kid he may be, but he broke the law. He must be punished.

He didn't change the issue, it's just a little piece of the bigger picture, which shows the hypocrisie and the double agenda of the government.

[shamrock_uk]

Still, I think Orbost has a valid point - when there is no consistency between domestic law and international conduct then it sends out all the wrong messages, especially when said law is prosecuted so vigorously in a controversial case like this.

[ 11-28-2005, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Orbost]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: Don't change the issue Orbost. A kid he may be, but he broke the law. He must be punished.

I'm not changing the issue. Dundee has come to the defense of his country's stance on punishing drugs offenders. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of him doing so.

Yes, he is a kid. Yes, he broke the law. Yes, he must be punished. The issue is whether the punishment is appropriate given the crime. I would argue not. You clearly have a different opinion. That's fine - we're entitled to our own opinions.