Our way or the highway-The end of U.S. aid to 35 nations

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by MagiK: I like that paraphrase TL. Well I suppose that since the USA doesnt give anything, no one would miss what we do give, so we might as well stop. It really isn't appreciated any way. Oops, wait...even though we don't give as high a percentage of the GDP our overall official governmental charity still outweighs that of all of europe combined...(I should say EU). I notice also that the figures quoted do not count all the dollars contributed by private groups and organizations, by churches, and individuals. Doesn't count goods and services donated by doctors, lawyers and educators. Statistics...funny numbers those....you never really kow what they are telling you, unless you are the one generating them.

I could of course comment that aids given by private groups and individuals come under individual choice, whereas aids given by governments come under political decisions. But I will just wait breathlessly for the figures you won't fail to bring us concerning private donations. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by MagiK: Now lets look into just who is sponsoring the "Center for Global Development" and find out what biases and motivations may be behind their numbers.... Ok at first blush, they are all Globalists and are basicly against any kind of national sovreignty for the US or any other country.... I guess you could get that from the name. Lets dig deeper. Ok there are a lot of people who call themselves Economists. From the track record for economists in the USA..thats not good for their rep. They are wrong as often as they are right, which basicly just makes them legal bookies.

I am quite surprise by your stance about Economists here, since I seem to recall that one of your core points, back on the War forum, was that all people who disagreed with the Iraqi war basically didn't know what they were talking about, since they were not professional specialists. These people are specialists in their fields, and you refute their knowledge ? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by MagiK: Ok now for their Partners....Harvard University's Center for international development, International center for research on women, UN Development program, Global Development network...I see a very clear pattern of socialistic liberal organizations. (now that isn't an insult, It is a fair assessment.) So is it really any wonder that the numbers that would shed a good light on the USA are eschewed for ones that make Globalizatio seem like THE answer promoted?

I didn't know the U.N. was a "socialistic liberal organization". That's what the U.S. are too then, since they are a member of the U.N. I learn something new every day ! [img]smile.gif[/img]

"If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence." -- Bertrand Russell, in "Roads to Freedom"

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Helder Camara

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Moiraine: I didn't know the U.N. was a "socialistic liberal organization". That's what the U.S. are too then, since they are a member of the U.N.

Stay tuned.

Originally posted by Moiraine: I didn't know the U.N. was a "socialistic liberal organization". That's what the U.S. are too then, since they are a member of the U.N. I learn something new every day ! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Moiraine [img]smile.gif[/img] It is one of the biggest socilist organizations in existance today. It is all about taking from some and giving to others And it is very much where our (the USA type Liberal) Align themselves. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I don't call it socialist or liberal as an insult. It is a strict description.

Just as I don't consider being called a Conservative Capitalist an insult.

[Moiraine]

Originally posted by MagiK: Moiraine [img]smile.gif[/img] It is one of the biggest socilist organizations in existance today. It is all about taking from some and giving to others And it is very much where our (the USA type Liberal) Align themselves. [img]smile.gif[/img] I don't call it socialist or liberal as an insult. It is a strict description. Just as I don't consider being called a Conservative Capitalist an insult.

I didn't imply you had said "socialist" as an insult - I recall a discussion we had on GD a few months ago, where you argued that the fact that we had at the time a socialist government, that didn't make France a socialist country. Which was true, of course - and I neither had said that we were a socialist country. in that thread. I am merely surprised that you seem to have changed your mind about what is socialist between then and now. A Conservative who changes, mmm.

Am a bit disappointed that you haven't replied to the rest of my post though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Sorry I havn't been able to post on all the things being discussed Moiraine, I have been having troubles all morning getting in here. Its enough to drive you up the wall.

1. France has a socialist party in contrrol, I don't think I ever said other wise.
2. The UN being a socialistic organization has nothing to do with France being socialist or non-socialist. I was commenting on the UN only not individual nations.