Heh!?!

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Shaide: Do you remember 1969? Usa wanted to attack Cuba. USA did a plan, they would attack some places in Miami, they would destroy any US airplanes when this planes would fly on Cuba, and they would say that Cuban attacked in first time, the world would say: Cuba is guilty, and they would attack this country with world help.

Actually, I'm not familiar with this at all and not sure I understand what you're saying. Could you give a few more details and maybe some links to information?

I can't find any battle plans from 1969 that detail faking an attack on miami so we could attack cuba...and I can't find any plans or operations from 1969 showing nay US interest in attacking Cuba.

Shaid you just make things up as you go. Come back with facts and we will listen to you. So far I have counted 4 times that you have completely twisted history to suit your self or just plain made the stuff up. Give some soruces please.

[Shaide]

You want links..
http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/bombings.htm
http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/who.htm
http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/sospecha.htm
http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/internet.htm
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/
http://www.effroyable-imposture.net/docs/index.php3
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/24/35201.html
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/hernandez.html
There are in english, french, spanish and german.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Shaide: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/24/35201.html Yes, his book is The Big Lie. I saw the planes actually hit the Twin Towers. I actually saw the second one hit it on LIVE TV. It was NOT a missle. You are entitled to believe what you want, but if you choose to believe this guy over the thousands that saw it in person and the millions that saw it on live TV.... http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/hernandez.html I'm familiar with the history involved with the Spanish-American war, but this doesn't say anything about the US self-destructing the Maine to "give cause" to join the Spanish-American war, which was the point you made. This link doesn't even mention the Maine, so how does it support your accusation? There are in english, french, spanish and german. I'm at work, so I haven't had time to view them all, and I won't be able to tell anything about the sites that aren't in English, but I'm looking forward to your "1969 Cuba Battle Plans". I just hope they're more reliable than the link to the story about the guy who's writing "The Big Lie". He's what's known as a conspiracy theorist. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Shaide: You want links.. http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/bombings.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/who.htm

Interesting reading although not terribly impressive, and it says nothing to back your historical points regarding the Maine and the unknown '69 Cuba/Florida invasion plan you mention.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Shaide: You want links.. http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/bombings.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/who.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/sospecha.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/internet.htm http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/ http://www.effroyable-imposture.net/docs/index.php3 http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/24/35201.html http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/hernandez.html There are in english, french, spanish and german.

Links 3, 4, 5, and 6 aren't in English, so I can't really comment.

Although I will say number 6 in French appears to be part of the conspiracy theory about 9/11, and therefore, is most likely garbage since people actually saw the plane hit the Pentagon and not a missle.

So I ask again about your example of the 1969 plan in Cuba?

[Shaide]

In the book: "The big lie", the writers show us some documents about it (Florida attack), I've read the book, but actually I havent find any links, when I will get the book again, and I'll can show us it. Those documents are very interesting "unclaimed document" I remember.

I dont want to say that USA is a bad nation (usa has good things), else I try to show objective news, because in the Medias (like CNN, European TVs and Muslims news) arent objective they say that they want to. I mean I wish objetive news.

Shaide

[Skunk]

How will the US "be better", in the sense of your crisis statement, after an Iraqi war? We won't get their oil unless we buy it. Even if US troops march down the streets of Bhagdad we won't get to keep any of their oil.

Oh come on! It will be defacto ownership with the US playing the part of the highly paid 'Milker' and Iraq the 'Cow'. What's more, once the US is in control of production, it simply turns up the taps - which reduces world oil prices...

Originally posted by Shaide: You want links.. http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/bombings.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/who.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/sospecha.htm http://mx.geocities.com/cencoalt/110901/internet.htm http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/ http://www.effroyable-imposture.net/docs/index.php3 http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/24/35201.html http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/hernandez.html There are in english, french, spanish and german.

Umm Shaide
None of those links proves anything you said.
The Geocities ones are useless flap from nobody's.
the ones not in english I cant read so don't know what they say
and the others that I can read are obviously slanted and biased
but still do not prove anyo of the incredible claims you made.

The Big Lie is a conspiracy nut theory, might as well put up links to
the Men in black, Roswell, The Grassy Knoll and the Black Helicopters too.

Out of curiosity, would It be accurate to call you Eisen-Dram-Shaide?


[ 01-22-2003, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: How will the US "be better", in the sense of your crisis statement, after an Iraqi war? We won't get their oil unless we buy it. Even if US troops march down the streets of Bhagdad we won't get to keep any of their oil.

Oh come on! It will be defacto ownership with the US playing the part of the highly paid 'Milker' and Iraq the 'Cow'. What's more, once the US is in control of production, it simply turns up the taps - which reduces world oil prices...[/QUOTE]Welcome aboard Skunk!

Now that that is out of the way you are soooo wrong. France and Russia will be the big Oil Winners. They are the ones who own most of the Oil hardware in Iraq. At worst the New Iraq will belong to OPEC which is NOT governed by the US but by Arabs (OPEC = Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries).