Moore to shoot sequel to Fahrenheit 9/11

[Timber Loftis]

"My family's been suffering ever since I lost my job at the screen-door factory, and I haven't seen a doctor for well on four years now," said father of four Buddy Kaldrin of Eerie, CO. "**** , I don't even remember what a dentist's chair looks like... Basically, I'd give up if it weren't for God's grace. So it's good to know we have a president who cares about religion, too." Kaldrin added: "That's why I always vote straight-ticket Republican, just like my daddy did, before he lost the farm and shot himself in the head, and just like his daddy did, before he died of black-lung disease in the company coal mines."

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"John Kerry is a flip-flopper," she continued. "I saw it on TV. Who knows what terrible things might've happened to my sons overseas if he'd been put in charge?"

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Gotta love onions.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Cerek: I will try once again to explain that I am talking about ATTITUDE when I use the term "elitist", NOT WEALTH!!! And the article from the NY Times interviewed everyday working New Yorkers...and every one quoted said FLAT OUT that THEY were smarter, wiser, more "street savvy" and "globally aware" than Red America. In other words, THEY WERE BETTER THAN RED AMERICA. That is an "elitist attitude" and it doesn't have Happy Jack **** to do with how much money any of them make or have. It is their attitude that I am talking about.

Which is tied to wealth. The everyday working class immigrant or black/hispanic family from Brooklyn, Bronx or whatever doesn't have the "eleitist" attitude you have described. It's tied to wealth, education and career.

And the real irony is that you are perpetuating that very same attitude and don't even realize it. You have implied that I didn't realize Bush and Cheney were multi-millionaires and have told me point blank that I was "hoodwinked" twice now. In other words, I wasn't "smart enough" to see through George Bush's act.

As was said, intelligence is not the issue. Either in the hoodwinkee or hoodwinker.

Well guess what, Yorick, I DID see through George Bush and his act. The only difference is that I also saw through Kerry and HIS act too (BTW, Kerry graduated from Yale just like George Bush and even belonged to the same "elite" club as Georgie Boy - but of course, you knew that already). And at the end of the day, I felt more comfortable that George Bush represented MY interests and MY VALUES better than John Kerry did.

I hope your interests included an 800 billion dollar deficit, because that's what you're now getting.

And - amazing as it may sound - I actually managed to figure that out all by my little old self. If you were around BEFORE the election, then you surely saw some of my posts where I said I was very undecided as to who I was going to support, because I had pros and cons regarding both candidates. But when everything was said and done, I decided that Bush represented what I wanted in a President BETTER than Kerry did. The fact that you disagree with that choice is fine....but the fact that your disagreement makes you think I was "hoodwinked" is nothing short of arrogant, because it means you think that I just wasn't as "smart" or "savvy" as you were about George Bush - and that is the type of "elitist attitude" that I was talking about with Moore and his Blue America buddies.

I'm entitled to an opinion centred around a party claiming to stand for Christian beliefs, and yet acting in the exact opposite of Jesus example and teaching. Just because it is said, does not make it so.

It's mind boggling.

Where does Bush mention Jesus name? Where does he invoke the authority of the Holy Spirit? Where did he turn the other cheek in either debates or foreign policy? Where is he taking care of widows and the "have nots" - described in the Bible as actually being the only "correct religion". Where is he abolishing the death penalty as Jesus did? Telling people to put down their guns as Jesus told Peter to put down his sword?

I have never heard anything out of his mouth other than vague references to "God".

He may well be a Christian for all I know. He may believe with certainty he is doing Gods will. However, his message, his actions, his policy, his language choice is far, far from representing the entire Christian faith - YET somehow a Christian bloc supports him on this basis!!!???

And the Catholic Church even came out and said voting for Kerry would be a sin because of his abortion stance.

Do we really think Bush is going to force an end to abortion?? You know I am anti-abortion. However, until a vast majority of Americans come to the same conclusion, it's not going to happen. it doesn't matter what the values of the president are on the issue. He's running the country. Balancing the budget.

Oh yeah... the 455 billion dollar deficit.

The religious right is a myth in any case. As I said, black Christians do not vote Republican by default.

Just because something is said doesn't make it so.

The "gourmet cakes" you can buy at a New York deli are not gourmet just because it says so on the wrapper.

Really pisses me off.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Now, onto other issues. Like how Yorick is a fine example of how Kerry hoodwinked folks. Only difference is, he hoodwinked LESS of them. And, let's be clear -- Kerry was a crappy candidate. Horribe voting record, horrible absenteeism, never did propose or sponsor a bill worth mentioning save for the one normalizing trade and relations with Vietnam (which was heavily supported by McCain, despite all the "traitor" and "sell-out" accusations levied at Kerry by the Repugs). The only thing Kerry had going for him -- and it was a big plus, I must admit -- was that he was not Bush. The theory was that no matter what he did in office, even if it was just sit there for four years, it couldn't be as bad as what Bush has done or will do. I agreed with that sentiment, so I begrudgingly supported Kerry vis-a-vis Bush, even though Kerry had little merit of his own. Of course, Badnarik was the best choice -- but only an elite few of us knew that. And we were smarter than all y'all's, so [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I was never pro Kerry.

[Timber Loftis]

Which is tied to wealth. The everyday working class immigrant or black/hispanic family from Brooklyn, Bronx or whatever doesn't have the "eleitist" attitude you have described. It's tied to wealth, education and career.

Well, thanks for telling me why I'm a stuck-up arrogant SOB! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Question is, what about artists? Like singers? What about them, hmmm?

And, okay, Yorick, so you didn't support Kerry. I guess you were going to be unhappy however it worked out! So, I guess regardless of who won the election, you'd be here complaining.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Which is tied to wealth. The everyday working class immigrant or black/hispanic family from Brooklyn, Bronx or whatever doesn't have the "eleitist" attitude you have described. It's tied to wealth, education and career.

Well, thanks for telling me why I'm a stuck-up arrogant SOB! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Question is, what about artists? Like singers? What about them, hmmm?

And, okay, Yorick, so you didn't support Kerry. I guess you were going to be unhappy however it worked out! So, I guess regardless of who won the election, you'd be here complaining. [/QUOTE]Yes.

I do not believe in settling for either rotten beef, or half cooked chicken, if I wanted a mango.

[Dirty Meg]

I half suspect the Democrats didn't want to win. Who would want to inherit a vast debt and an unwinable war?
It would also explain the choice of a candidate who differs from a seat-filler only in terms of salary.

[Cerek]

Originally posted by Yorick: Cerek, there are over 8 million night time residents of New York. Manhattan doesn't even have half of that. Brooklyn has 4 million. The largest borough, and is far from being filled with "eleitist" Manhattanites. The overwhelming majority are working class. Jersey City, Queens, Bronx, Staten. All this adds up to more people than exist in the Upper West, Upper East or Greenwhich Village.

I would like to think this attitude isn't as pervasive as it is made to sound - and I'm willing to give the "working class" citizens you mentioned the benefit of the doubt.

So I tell you what, when you get back to the Big Apple, go around and ask any citizens you choose what they think of "Red America" and the voters there and tell us what they say. Then we will see if they have the same "elitist attitude" or not.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Cerek: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Cerek, there are over 8 million night time residents of New York. Manhattan doesn't even have half of that. Brooklyn has 4 million. The largest borough, and is far from being filled with "eleitist" Manhattanites. The overwhelming majority are working class. Jersey City, Queens, Bronx, Staten. All this adds up to more people than exist in the Upper West, Upper East or Greenwhich Village.

I would like to think this attitude isn't as pervasive as it is made to sound - and I'm willing to give the "working class" citizens you mentioned the benefit of the doubt.

So I tell you what, when you get back to the Big Apple, go around and ask any citizens you choose what they think of "Red America" and the voters there and tell us what they say. Then we will see if they have the same "elitist attitude" or not. [/QUOTE]So you think anyone that doesn't vote republican is automatically eleitist? Even the poor black democrat voters in your own state?

Wow.

[Yorick]

You do know that plenty of New Yorkers have come from "Red America" right? 60% of New York was not born in New York.

[Timber Loftis]

So, how much of that 60% emigrated from Europe, Asia, and the Middle East? And how much of that 60% finds gainful employment driving cabs while spending all day on the cell phone, ignoring the cab occupants, and in violation of the law?

Erm.... sorry, compound question.