![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#21 | |
Dracolich
![]() Join Date: January 24, 2004
Location: UK
Age: 42
Posts: 3,092
|
Hmm, well I've just had a quick look at the text:
Quote:
As for other countries, many in South America perhaps as they often used the US consitution for a model. Iraq? |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | |
20th Level Warrior
![]() Join Date: December 28, 2003
Location: Kentucky
Age: 39
Posts: 2,820
|
Early US legal documents often list things without a clear, easily recognizeable structure to the list. As an example, look up the Declaration of Independence, specifically the usurpations part. It starts out pretty clear, then starts to be kind of hazy in its writing, then comes back again.
I see the second amendment as a list of 2 things: The right to a well regulated militia, AND the right of the people to keep and bear arms. One could also make a case that this is a failsafe---that the framers of the Constitution felt that the people would make up a well-regulated militia, in case of the failure of the official army. I like that interpretation, partially because it seems the most apt to be correct, historically speaking (after all, most of the Revolutionary Army was composed of simple people who'd grown up with guns in their hands), and partially because it reminds me of the Admiral Isoroku Yammamoto quote: Quote:
__________________
Is that what you really want to say? |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#23 |
40th Level Warrior
![]() Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 11,916
|
Regarding CD's comment regarding "gun the military uses," I'd like to point out that, AS I SAID BEFORE, we can't own those. Semi-auto is the best your common pedestrian gunowner can get. Again, your comment is probably focusing on the cosmetics, which Felix nicely pointed out don't mean spit. Now, he made a comment about liberals in there, too, and I'd like to take the time to remind him that some liberals own guns, too, and them's fightin words. :devil:
Regarding CD's comment that it is sometimes one's duty to fight one's country's military, I wholeheartedly agree. I think that time is now, today, when we should be storming D.C., but that's just me. Give me 10 or 20 thousand more like me, and I'll go Che Guevera on your ass, but that's a pipe dream. Regardless, that comment militates against his querry as to why we need such guns. I actually believe we should be allowed to own howitzers, RPGs, M16/M203 combos, tanks, etc., for that very reason. The 535 major bastards and the 1 uber bastard in D.C. should always feel like they are 10 seconds away from being quartered and drawn, as far as I'm concerned. Regarding the language in the Second Amendment and all these nice arguments about how it doesn't mean this or that, drop it. File it with your argument that you don't have to pay income taxes, and with your dissertation that West Virginia was never legally chartered as a State. Put both of them together with $1.50, and you might be able to get a Venti Starbucks coffee with it. Now, while we keep talking of America as if it were the land where you stepped off the boat and they handed you a Remington, I'd like to point out to you folks that some of us live in Socialist/Dictatorial little fiefdoms in this country, where gun ownership is nigh on illegal. And what's with Ilander acting as if he's got a monopoly on bluegrass bragging rights? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#24 |
20th Level Warrior
![]() Join Date: December 28, 2003
Location: Kentucky
Age: 39
Posts: 2,820
|
LOL...'cuz you and Felix aren't mentioning all the weapons you shoot on a monthly basis just because it's fun.
Besides, are you from Appalachia? Lewis County all the way, man, but I doubt you and Felix live there, otherwise I'd know you, in all probability. ![]() [ 09-30-2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: Ilander ]
__________________
Is that what you really want to say? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#25 | |
40th Level Warrior
![]() Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 11,916
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#26 |
Ironworks Moderator
![]() Join Date: June 27, 2001
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Age: 44
Posts: 6,766
|
I'm a law abbiding country, I want a WOMD to defend myself and my people!
Banning WOMD didn't decrease the number of WOMD crimes commited, legalise them! ![]()
__________________
Once upon a time in Canada... |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#27 | ||
Legion Symbol
![]() Join Date: May 29, 2002
Location: Somewhere in between
Age: 40
Posts: 7,029
|
Quote:
![]() Do feel free to correct me if I'm misguided in anyway. That's just how I see it. Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#28 | |
40th Level Warrior
![]() Join Date: October 29, 2001
Location: Western Wilds of Michigan
Posts: 11,752
|
Quote:
With every exception comes another loophole, and with every loophole the law behind it becomes weaker. My [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] Next!
__________________
*B* Save Early, Save Often Save Before, Save After Two-Star General, Spelling Soldiers -+-+-+ Give 'em a hug one more time. It might be the last. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#29 |
Legion Symbol
![]() Join Date: May 29, 2002
Location: Somewhere in between
Age: 40
Posts: 7,029
|
There are exceptions, of course - as you said, such a hunter, but - why would the general population need arms? And, generally, crimials aren't armed (well, firearms) unless the police are - at least, if you take Britian as an example. Of course, that is changing, but... sigh.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#30 |
Xanathar Thieves Guild
![]() Join Date: March 17, 2001
Location: Wichita, KS USA
Age: 62
Posts: 4,537
|
I personally don't own any guns, but I don't think it's wrong for our population to own them. I had my first hunter safety course at 8 years of age, and fired my first shotgun during the same period, which is really funny to look back on now...I wasn't very big, but that 10 gauge was.
Do I feel the need to own an "assault rifle", nope. Although, a friend of mine does own an AR-15, and it's a really fun weapon to target shoot with, and it will drop a deer, personal experience. If some one feels uncomfortable about guns, don't own one, it keeps them out of your house, and that's cool. To the people that do own them, most are responsible enough to keep them out of a child's reach.
__________________
To those we have lost; May your spirits fly free. Interesting read, one of my blogs. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
HELP!! With Warhammer 40K DOW Winter Assault | Timber Loftis | Miscellaneous Games (RPG or not) | 0 | 10-04-2005 02:18 PM |
Winter Assault is out! | Sir Degrader | Miscellaneous Games (RPG or not) | 3 | 09-25-2005 07:00 PM |
Assault on Precinct 13... | Luvian | Entertainment (Movies, TV Shows and Books/Comics) | 4 | 02-03-2005 11:00 PM |
Deathbringer assault?? | AvengingAngel535 | Baldurs Gate II: Shadows of Amn & Throne of Bhaal | 4 | 08-28-2003 09:56 PM |
Deathbringer Assault | Nakor the Black Rider | Baldurs Gate II: Shadows of Amn & Throne of Bhaal | 3 | 08-24-2002 07:28 AM |