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Also before people jump on me and say that being banned is a lot diffrent from being shot , well it is , and it isnt. If a total stranger is shot and killed then you can be outraged by it , but it realy doesnt have any affect on your life. Much like if a person is banned from the forum. That person is effectivly gone , people can get mad about it ,but no one stops posting over it.
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12-20-2002, 07:56 PM | #22 | |
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But I get your meaning. Good point What makes the whole situation really sticky is that alot more people nowadays are able to 'see' what goes on in other lands via tv news bulletins, newspaper articles, radio broadcasts etc. Now of course, whether or not the information sources received are 'truthful' accounts from these media is another matter entirely. But the thing is, before the inception of modern media, there was less compunction to get involved on an international scale as these 'occurances' simply wern't in your face on a day-to-day basis. If I, like some guys from my year in High School, chose to live a 'primitive' surfer lifestyle out on the West Coast of NZ with no TV and little 'input' as to the outside world I would feel little to no compunction to get involved in international politics. The World Trade Center could be some large urban marketplace somewhere in China for all I would know. That I would be unaware doesn't mean that 'atrocities' don't occur, just that there is no compelling desire (whether justified or simply imagined) to take action as there is no awareness of the deed. Some might say that morality depends upon the deeds you undertake in relation to the world that you know. To be honest I know nothing of the muslim faith, some tell me it is based on peace, some say it is based on hate. Who to believe? Are there different sects for different people? Who's version (if any) is correct? All input seems to be rife with human bias (even the original manuscript of the Quran itself was written by human hands). Sometimes people can be so confusing... Help me out here fellahs...
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12-20-2002, 09:35 PM | #23 | |
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Women of Allah: http://islampeace.org/woman.html The Real practice of Islam is a journey of personal submission to Allah. To follow Allah's laws. Just like all religions, the personal, spiritual aspect is the fundemental core of Islamic practice. People DO interpret things many different ways, they do. How else would people do extremely evil acts in the name of the most kind, merciful and compassionate? Here is a snippet about Allah: http://islampeace.org/whoisallah.html Quote:
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12-20-2002, 10:50 PM | #24 | |
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Did you know that in all muslim ruled countries the death penalty for something as simple as converting a muslim? Or even _preaching_ to a muslim? (Not all countries go as far as executing someone for preaching, but definitely jail time in some of the scummiest hellholes you've ever seen) Muslims come to countries like Canada or the US and demand freedom to worship, but won't accord those same rights to members of other religions. Democracy and freedom of choice are rights whether the leaders of a given country believe that or not - and by supporting power groups (either directly or by inaction) that believe they have a right to suppress any information on other belief structures, you are in fact supporting slavery and perpetuating the dark ages on this planet.
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12-20-2002, 10:59 PM | #25 | |
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If diplomacy fails (country #1 says "you are abusing your people and we would like you to stop" country #2 says "piss off"), and countries disagree than the only way to resolve this is to go to war - something the US has done to Afghanistan, and this is perfectly legal under international law. So essentially, if the US really wanted to stop a given country from torturing it's citizens, it could if it had the intestinal fortitude to do so.
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12-20-2002, 11:06 PM | #26 |
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Too True , SirK. But if courntie #1 goes to war and gets OWNED by countrie #2, i.e. Isreal-V-The Middle East ,then the discussion and argument should be ended.There shouldnt be sanctions and inspections or any other type of back handed slowly weakening strategys employed. They should just take their beating and let the matter drop.
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12-21-2002, 05:22 AM | #27 | |
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Also before people jump on me and say that being banned is a lot diffrent from being shot , well it is , and it isnt. If a total stranger is shot and killed then you can be outraged by it , but it realy doesnt have any affect on your life. Much like if a person is banned from the forum. That person is effectivly gone , people can get mad about it ,but no one stops posting over it.[/QUOTE]Being banned is totally different to being killed. [img]smile.gif[/img] And yes it is our business, as fellow human beings, when a government kills the citizens of it's own country. It's a horrific offense against humanity. |
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12-21-2002, 05:37 AM | #28 | |
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The root cause of the problem is that in the Qur'an you will not find any assurance of salvation outside MARTYRDOM. That is a terrible reality. Not even Muhammad the exemplar of Islam knew whether he was going to heaven or hell. Mind you Muhammad the exemplar of Islam invaded, killed and destroyed human lives. Jesus, ordered his followers to put down their swords when he was being knowingly led away to be tried, tortured and killed. Big dif. No other religion of the world offers Martyrdom as an assurance of salvation like Isalm does. It's a sad reality. Wish it were not so. A British Muslim who does not go to war has rationalised the elements of the Qu'ran that chide and belittle the person who stays at home instead of fighting. I'm sure they are peace loving British who care more about the cricket, but they have a rationalised interpretation of the Qu'ran. A Jew who has a rationalised interpretation of the Torah, mayh decide to eat pork, lose the hat, shave the beard and get a haircut, and play sport on the sabbath. A Christian who has a rationalised interpretation of the New Testament may be homosexual, preach with long hair, or be part of a coup d'etat. There are not quite the same implications for literal fundamentalism with all the various faiths. [img]smile.gif[/img] Take it easy mate. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 12-21-2002, 05:38 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ] |
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Isn't it the Buddists that have nothing in their sacred writings about conquest in the name of their religion? I think I heard something about this months ago on NPR. It seems all other religions have something about violence towards their enemy in them whether it is in the past or is current.
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