WAR MISCALCULATIONS

[khazadman]

Oh damn! Why did you have to bring up Hee Haw? For years my parents made us watch that show. [img]graemlins/1disgust.gif[/img]

...and now back to your regularly scheduled anti-american rhetoric...

[Animal]

Originally posted by khazadman: What a crock! Do you really want to know why these Fedayeen animals are fighting? They know that because of the things they've done over the years that, when Saddam is dead, so are they. I'd like to know how this war plan is failing. They are less than twenty miles from Baghdad, and the last twenty-four hours has witnessed the destruction of two of these supposedly elite Republican Guard divisions (or what was left of them). And these attacks on the rear echelons are a complete failure. All they've done is see hundreds, if not thousands, of these goons killed.....well maybe they are not a failure for us. Not after being pounded from the skies twenty-four hours a day. [img]graemlins/tomcat.gif[/img]

A little pent up agression, perhaps?

I've read a couple of your posts in different threads, and am somewhat offended by the colourful words used to describe the Iraqis.

You may not agree with these people nor like them, however irregardless of their motives, they are fighting for their homeland. Just because we don't understand them, doesn't give us the right to insult them.

[Mordenheim]

Right

They are forced to fight. In fact told family members will be killed if they do not. People who refuse are shot. People are try to run are shot. A woman waving down soldiers was hung. As many that could escape away as quit before the fight even started.

Yes, they are fighting for their homeland.

lol

Man can't wait to hear the stories from the Iraqi's forced to fight. Heck they are already coming out. The only people fighting are the thug's who have everything to lose and the people forced to.

Originally posted by khazadman: What a crock! Do you really want to know why these Fedayeen animals are fighting? They know that because of the things they've done over the years that, when Saddam is dead, so are they.

It has been more my impression that the Iraqis continue to fight because this has been turned into a holy war...to die for Jihad "guarantees" them a place in heaven.

EDIT: The Iraqis who fight willingly that is, I hadn't given consideration to those who are forced to when I made this post.

[ 04-02-2003, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Lil Lil ]

[Animal]

Originally posted by Mordenheim: Right They are forced to fight. In fact told family members will be killed if they do not. People who refuse are shot. People are try to run are shot. A woman waving down soldiers was hung. As many that could escape away as quit before the fight even started. Yes, they are fighting for their homeland. lol Man can't wait to hear the stories from the Iraqi's forced to fight. Heck they are already coming out. The only people fighting are the thug's who have everything to lose and the people forced to.

So people forced to fight should be subject to abusive comments?

Just because we don't understand their way of life and the way they think, obviously we are right and they are wrong? Our way of life is correct and theirs is not?

Do we even attempt to understand them or even care or are we so caught up in our own righteousnes and self worth that the defense of your home is suddenly a crime.

Many do not agree with Saddam, but take enough pride in their way of life, culture, religion and beliefs to stand by those same values even if it means dying in the process, because that is all they have. It would seem that some find this funny. Perhaps if we, as citizens of the west, demonstrated the kind of courage and dedication to our beliefs that the Iraqis do, we'd be much better off.

A man isn't much of a man if he can't stand up for his beliefs and principles.

[ 04-02-2003, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Animal ]

[John D Harris]

How many security briefings was Auther Kent in on? What security clearance does he hold? The market in Baghdad hit by coalition Missles or Bombs is not supported by the laws of phsyics. Tommahawk missles carry a 1,000 lb warhead, the bombs the coalition are droping are 1,000 lb(Very few)2,000 lb(mostly) Those bombs and missles make a "HALE" of a bigger crater then the Measly 15 ft crater the was shown to be the one in the market. If a tommahawk or 2,000 lb bomb would have gone off in the market there would have been nothing left. The market shown by AlJareeza to be the market hit is smaller then a football field (100 yrds x 50 yrds) well with in the total destruction area (Area where NOTHING survives)of both of those weapons. There would have been NO market to film only a large smolderning crater, with the surounding building suffering massive damage. Not a 15 ft crater with the surrounding buildings windows blown out from shrapnel.

[Animal]

Originally posted by John D Harris: How many security briefings was Auther Kent in on? What security clearance does he hold? The market in Baghdad hit by coalition Missles or Bombs is not supported by the laws of phsyics. Tommahawk missles carry a 1,000 lb warhead, the bombs the coalition are droping are 1,000 lb(Very few)2,000 lb(mostly) Those bombs and missles make a "HALE" of a bigger crater then the Measly 15 ft crater the was shown to be the one in the market. If a tommahawk or 2,000 lb bomb would have gone off in the market there would have been nothing left. The market shown by AlJareeza to be the market hit is smaller then a football field (100 yrds x 50 yrds) well with in the total destruction area (Area where NOTHING survives)of both of those weapons. There would have been NO market to film only a large smolderning crater, with the surounding building suffering massive damage. Not a 15 ft crater with the surrounding buildings windows blown out from shrapnel.

I read recently that their was an unconfirmed report that the market was actually hit by an Iraqi missile that was originally fired in an attempt to destroy the coalition missile that was fired on the Iraqi missile position. Clear as mud, right?

I remember the cruise missile testing in Northern AB when they were first being developed. A completely devastating weapon.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Animal: I read recently that their was an unconfirmed report that the market was actually hit by an Iraqi missile that was originally fired in an attempt to destroy the coalition missile that was fired on the Iraqi missile position. Clear as mud, right? I remember the cruise missile testing in Northern AB when they were first being developed. A completely devastating weapon.

I have several friends that have and do work on the tommahawk for the DoD. Bad weapon, very bad weapon! Fired from 1,000 + miles it could fly through the uprights of any football field with a greater accuracy then a profession place kicker kicking a 30yrd field goal.

[Mordenheim]

Originally posted by Animal: Quote: Originally posted by Mordenheim: Right They are forced to fight. In fact told family members will be killed if they do not. People who refuse are shot. People are try to run are shot. A woman waving down soldiers was hung. As many that could escape away as quit before the fight even started. Yes, they are fighting for their homeland. lol Man can't wait to hear the stories from the Iraqi's forced to fight. Heck they are already coming out. The only people fighting are the thug's who have everything to lose and the people forced to.

So people forced to fight should be subject to abusive comments?

Just because we don't understand their way of life and the way they think, obviously we are right and they are wrong? Our way of life is correct and theirs is not?

Do we even attempt to understand them or even care or are we so caught up in our own righteousnes and self worth that the defense of your home is suddenly a crime.

Many do not agree with Saddam, but take enough pride in their way of life, culture, religion and beliefs to stand by those same values even if it means dying in the process, because that is all they have. It would seem that some find this funny. Perhaps if we, as citizens of the west, demonstrated the kind of courage and dedication to our beliefs that the Iraqis do, we'd be much better off.

A man isn't much of a man if he can't stand up for his beliefs and principles.[/QUOTE]You are such a idealist but SO wrong.

In no way can you or anyone else EVER defend what is going on by a select few of the upper crust in Iraq. Not now, not tommorow, not ever. I don't have to understand the mentality that allows raping women in the street, torturing children, mass murder of you're own people for god's sake. I don't want to even begin to try to think about such madness. This was before the war. They put their own people in PAPER shredders!

Look at the taliban. They would MURDER a woman for showing a ankle. A FREAKING ANKLE! And you dare me to try to understand that culture, religion, way of life? I just seen three day's ago on discovery live them dancing in the street! women with no shawl and men clean shaven. I seen building, American, British, and Afghani's rebuilding a lifetime robbed from them by the Taliban. If we listened to idealists like you the people would still be getting beat, raped, and FORCED to follow some radical stone age version of Islam.

The courage and dedication? Man you are so lost in space. Anyone can grab a child of some parent and force them to fight. Anyone can hang a woman from a fence and dare the next person to stand up. That don't take courage. That takes NO value in you're own people. That takes a sickness I would rather die before I began to see into that type of mind. They are willing to die in the proccess? Give me a break! If they don't fight they will die anyway by their own government.

Why don't you get in reality. Defense of a country? WRONG,
They are defending their Government. They are defending a lifestyle that has them in power over all. The only people willing to fight are people who have been butchering people for a decade.

I REALLY hope you are around when this is over. When the stories flood out and pictures of people talking the truth. When no threat is there to hold them back. When no stone age freak can keep them silent by hanging his mother up. I almost wish they would take people with you're mindset after the war and have you say the same thing in front of the then free people. I wish to see that response. I have listened to exile after exile talk about how Sadam has to be removed and force is the only way. I don't need people who have never once felt threatned telling me what people who scared about thrown in a paper shredder are fighting for.

In no way despite culture, religion, can anyone ever say this radical Islam is right. In no way can anyone say treating women like trash and everything else is "ok"