Hamas perpetuate suicide terrorism

[Neb]

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Originally posted by Yorick:

However Neb, you SUCK!!! I'm desperately trying to find those dollars......

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Eh? What?

[Fljotsdale]

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Originally posted by Neb:


Eh? What?

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Er..... he wants to buy her back from you....??? This is making me [img]graemlins/1dizzy.gif[/img]

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[Neb]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:


Er..... he wants to buy her back from you....??? This is making me [img]graemlins/1dizzy.gif[/img]

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No, no, no, he was going to have to pay me 1 million dollars otherwise I would RETURN her to him [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img] (Don't tell anyone, but I'm keeping her anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[Fljotsdale]

It was well-worth-while posting what I did just to see Yorick and Silver Cheetah in almost perfect harmony against me, lol!
LoA didn't know what he was starting! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

As for the Israel-Palestine problem... yes, I understand and agree with the points both Yorick and the Cheetah make, but it does not alter what I see as the fact that both sides ARE fighting for freedom, security and justice.
Trouble is, both sides feel they have the moral high ground, they hate each other, do not consider each others' rights or their own duties, and the moderates on both sides are kept out of the picture by the extremists who want nothing short of the total destruction of 'the enemy'.

Trying to mediate that lot is almost impossible; but unless such a solution is found that will be seen as just by the majority of factions we will never have peace, and the terrorist problem will not go away. Bombs don't solve problems. They just add to them, in the longer term. We HAVE to stop thinking and acting with short-term goals in mind and broker long-term solutions...

This means showing a REAL interest in the CAUSES of problems.. something the West has always failed to do, imo.

We ain't as far apart in our views as you think! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Neb:


No, no, no, he was going to have to pay me 1 million dollars otherwise I would RETURN her to him [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/evilhaha.gif[/img] (Don't tell anyone, but I'm keeping her anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

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Hence Yorick's desperate desire to find $1000,000... [img]smile.gif[/img] Damit Neb, you just screwed up our chances of getting our hands on the loot... he's never gonna pay up now!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Neb]

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Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:


Hence Yorick's desperate desire to find $1000,000... [img]smile.gif[/img] Damit Neb, you just screwed up our chances of getting our hands on the loot... he's never gonna pay up now!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Sorry my dear [img]smile.gif[/img] , I guess we'll have to find someone else to blackmail.... Perhaps I could threaten to return you to... YOUR MOTHER! Pay up or I return the woman! Bwahahahah! And we can still pressure Yorick, I paid Mouse to take some compromising pictures of him and the maid of honour, I'm sure we can blackmail him with those.... Bwahahahaha!

[Sir Kenyth]

Eh, what is this? The chaste and lovely Cheetah kidnapped by the foul manipulations of the evil Nebmeister?! Held in peril with no hope of rescue!? This cannot be!

*Quickly dons his cape and mask and runs to the edge of the balcony to fly to her rescue!*

Fear not Cheetah! I'll rescue youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!

*Falls to the ground below, as he forgot his winged booties!*

!!!!!SPLAT!!!!!

Ouch! Ummm, would anyone happen to have some antiseptic and maybe a splint or two? Some anti-bacterial creme? Band-aids? Anyone?

Tune in next episode! When Sir K once again attempts his daring rescue of the cat-woman and is "Neb"bed in the act!

[Ronn_Bman]

Factoid:

Since January 1, 2001 in Isreal, there have been @1,600 terrorist attacks. @550 have involved the use of bombs. @50 were car bombs.

Interesting point:

At the last Camp David accord (during the Clinton Administration) between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators, Isreal agreed to 92% of what the Palestinians requested and Yassar Arafat said, "no".

I have no doubts that the 8% of land requested was probably the most controversial, but it was the best offer the Palestinians have ever gotten, they refused it completely, and no offers have come close since. I heard a commentator saying that the proposal was the "high water mark" in the negotiation process. It's certainly all been downhill since

Palestinians and Muslems throughout the Middle East have to understand that their holy lands are also holy to both Jews and Christians, and that no religion is served by the intentional deaths of innocent men, women, and children. All of these monolithic religions start off with the same God, and it's hard for me to understand the divergences, which define the religions, could cause such hate and utter contempt.

Yorick and Cheeta agreeing? They fought like cats and dogs before their "marriage", but since being married, they're getting along? That's not the way it works! You guys have it backwards...lol.

[Sir Kenyth]

It's so difficult to have a one-side or the other opinion when it comes to Palestine and Israel. They're both wrong to a degree and neither really wants to compromise. The lesser of the two evils is certainly Israel, but what do you do? They were fighting before I can remember and will likely be fighting long after I'm dead of old age.

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
It was well-worth-while posting what I did just to see Yorick and Silver Cheetah in almost perfect harmony against me, lol!
LoA didn't know what he was starting! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

As for the Israel-Palestine problem... yes, I understand and agree with the points both Yorick and the Cheetah make, but it does not alter what I see as the fact that both sides ARE fighting for freedom, security and justice.
Trouble is, both sides feel they have the moral high ground, they hate each other, do not consider each others' rights or their own duties, and the moderates on both sides are kept out of the picture by the extremists who want nothing short of the total destruction of 'the enemy'.

Trying to mediate that lot is almost impossible; but unless such a solution is found that will be seen as just by the majority of factions we will never have peace, and the terrorist problem will not go away. Bombs don't solve problems. They just add to them, in the longer term. We HAVE to stop thinking and acting with short-term goals in mind and broker long-term solutions...

This means showing a REAL interest in the CAUSES of problems.. something the West has always failed to do, imo.

We ain't as far apart in our views as you think! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Hamas will only be satisfied with the total exodus of all Israelis from the state of Israel. This is clearly impossible. How can their demands be fulfilled? They can't!

I agree with what you say, but as far as Israel/Palestine goes, Hamas are flogging a dead horse, very much in the manner of the Real IRA splinter group, who are not interested in achieving peace by peaceful means, and will do anything to screw up the peace process. All the points we have all been making about cause and effect are still valid, of course they are!

However, this was a SUPERB chance for Israel and Palestine to resolve their differences, or at least shelve some of them and come to a compromise agreement. Sadly, the moment has passed, as the actions of both Hamas and the Israelis have now inflammed both populations to the point where it is doubtful that Arafat can hang onto power. How can one assume anything else but that Hamas are only interested in violence to achieve their means? Why couldn't they have stopped shooting long enough to give the peace process a chance?

I dont agree with a lot of the actions taken by Bush (aided and abetted by Blair) prior to and during this conflict, but I applauded the attempt to broker this peace deal. I don't give a flying toss WHY they wanted to broker it - get the Arab world on side, etc.... we all know the reasons... the fact that they were going for it was enough.

The possibility of putting an end to violence in the region, -it would have been something of which America could have been truly proud, and I cheer them for that.

However, having said that -

the Israeli hardliners have NOT wanted the peace process all along. Sharon really is a liability. He knows fine well that Arafat has limited control over Hamas (ie. practically none) and that over 50% of the population now support Hamas actions. Arafat is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and the Israelis have delibrately made his life harder by retaliating to Hamas almost before the corpses they made were cold, delibrately whipping up anti-Israeli feeling on the part of the Palestinians and antagonising them into a feeding frenzy.

They have retaliated to all illegal action taken by Hamas fully and strongly, and atrociously, making damn sure Hamas retaliate back and look bad. Anything to stop the peace process.

Sharon made it quite clear to the US at the start that Israel was not interested in a cease fire, and their actions throughout have continued to show that. Israeli hardliners are furious that the US and Europe were dialoging with Arafat, and suggesting that concessions be made to Palestine. They have no intention of withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza, and have spared no pains to aggravate the Palestinians into further responses.

Like I said, Hamas and Sharon. Great stuff guys. Who of either of you truly gives a ■■■■ about your people? I can't see it, myself.

NOTE TO ALL YOU SMARMY GITS OUT THERE... [img]smile.gif[/img]

The fact that I have agreed with Yorick straight after the wedding is purely co-incidence, LOL! It is not an attempt to get more housekeeping out of him..... (Nebling more than meets my needs on that and all other fronts )