Mahathir

[Skunk]

I thought that current deal was going to expire relatively soon anyway?

[Paladin2000]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Woah, hold your horses there fella. While I find the whole water issue ludricious, I would exercise caution in so casually describing the majority of Malays as stupid. It is just tactless and only serves to add fuel to the fire. Not to mention that I am Malaysian (Singaporean PR only) so I tend to feel aggravated by such remarks. [img]tongue.gif[/img] The water issue is not so much about economics, but politics. Yes, the price is absurd when seen in today's terms, but bear in mind that this was set in a treaty written in the 60s. People often talk about the selling price of the raw water (which I assure you, no sane civilised man will want to drink from), but fail to remember that we sell it back at a discounted price as well. The price that Malaysia pays to buy back the treated water is cheaper than if it had treated the water themselves. Not to say that the Singapore government is totally uncaring though. There has been offers of a raise for the cost of the raw water, but naturally, the Malaysian government wants a higher price. This is, in summary, the water issue.

He he... my remarks are indeed based upon my personal experience. I am closer to you than you think...

[wellard]

Originally posted by Skunk: Just heard Mahathir's comments at the APEC summit: "We are ready to be exploited; but we would like to be fairly exploited..." He has a sardonic sense of humour!

At the summit last week of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Malaysia, Mr Mahathir said: "The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."

He said 1.3 billion Muslims could not be defeated by a few million Jews.

Mr Mahathir's remarks drew worldwide condemnation, but Malaysia said that Western nations over-reacted to the speech and took it out of context, and the comments were aimed at rallying the Muslim world.


Yeah makes me laugh with comments like these...NOT

[Yorick]

The "out-of-context" argument is so overused in this day and age.

What else could he have meant? What possible context makes those remarks acceptable? As usual these days, when this type of defense is offered, no elaboration is made as to what was meant.

The media do have much to answer for when they do take a persons words out of context, but in a case like this, with words like this, when no context is described, it reeks of "stock-standardness".

[Yorick]

Was anyone else aware, that the "out of context" autodefense, was highly ludicrous considering people like Leonis posted THE WHOLE SPEECH!!! What more context is there? We can read the whole thing. Doesn't make it any better. Actually makes it worse.

[Skunk]

Originally posted by wellard: quote: Originally posted by Skunk: Just heard Mahathir's comments at the APEC summit: "We are ready to be exploited; but we would like to be fairly exploited..." He has a sardonic sense of humour!

At the summit last week of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in Malaysia, Mr Mahathir said: "The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them."

He said 1.3 billion Muslims could not be defeated by a few million Jews.

Mr Mahathir's remarks drew worldwide condemnation, but Malaysia said that Western nations over-reacted to the speech and took it out of context, and the comments were aimed at rallying the Muslim world.


Yeah makes me laugh with comments like these...NOT [/QUOTE]As I said, those comments marred an otherwise excellent speech. There were genunine issues raised in this speech and indeed the comment made at the Apec summit is indicative of those issues which should be getting equal attention.

[wellard]

I know what you means Skunk [img]smile.gif[/img] he does make good points, overall he has been good for Malyasia and i can shake off the constant bitchy comments about Australia some of which may be valid. But this IS a genunine issue. It's downright inflamatory at its best and at worse it's a signal to unify muslims into action against Isreal.

[ 10-23-2003, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: wellard ]

[Skunk]

Originally posted by wellard: But this IS a genunine issue. It's downright inflamatory at its best and at worse it's a signal to unify muslims into action against Isreal.

You'll get no arguments with me there.

Mahathir stated in his speech that:
"Our only reaction is to become more and more angry. Angry people cannot think properly. And so we find some of our people reacting irrationally. They launch their own attacks, killing just about anybody including fellow Muslims to vent their anger and frustration."
Seems to me that this picture fits him rather well - his insensitive comment was a classic example of an angry person who is clearly not thinking properly.

[dragon_lord]

Seems to me that this picture fits him rather well - his insensitive comment was a classic example of an angry person who is clearly not thinking properly.

Perhaps but it would be wise if he would remember that alot of people died fighting the japanese in his country, then he might treat the rest of us with a little bit of respect instead of stirring the pot.

[ 10-23-2003, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: dragon_lord ]

[Black Baron]

What bothers me is France's respond. It did not condemn the antisemithic part of the speech (in the beginning, anyway. correct me if i am wrong), and did it only after a pressure.
Maybe chirac is his brother.
grrrr...