Bush = Hitler

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by khazadman: Faceman I ask you to show me where the signs are of fascists controlling anything in this country. This country is too conservative to ever become fascist. That's for the lefty Europeans.

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T.

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by khazadman: Faceman I ask you to show me where the signs are of fascists controlling anything in this country. This country is too conservative to ever become fascist. That's for the lefty Europeans.

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T. [/QUOTE]
You can't even point to a singe use of the patriot act that is in any way linked to Nazism guy.

[Lord Lothar]

Excellent piece of writing MagiK. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] I for one have been confused when people compare to Bush to Hitler. Even though I disapprove of Bush as a leader, Hitler's atrocities are far, far worse than anything Bush has done.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by khazadman: Faceman I ask you to show me where the signs are of fascists controlling anything in this country. This country is too conservative to ever become fascist. That's for the lefty Europeans.

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. A.C.T. [/QUOTE]
You can't even point to a singe use of the patriot act that is in any way linked to Nazism guy.
[/QUOTE]Thats is because the secretive nature of the patriot act doesn't allow for us to even know how it is being used and who it is being used upon. Its a secret.

I call secret searches without notification and approved by secret courts facist period.

[Rokenn]

My personal favorite portion of the proposed Patriot II Act is that it gives the government the power to revoke a US citizen's citizenship and then declare them an 'enemy combatant'. Allowing them to hold the person indefinitely with no charges.

[Night Stalker]

I gotta agree with the Wookie here MagiK. The Patriot Act is something that every liberty loving American should be activly working to destroy. It has way too many opportunities for abuse. It may 'only' be applied to terrorists now, but then it's 'enemies of the state', 'enemies of the police', the boyfriend of some Congressman's mistress ....

"Those who would sell Freedom for Security will have neither Freedom nor Security." Ben Franklin

[Skunk]

Of course it's ridiculous to compare any leader with another. However one can compare policies of a similar nature.

Let's make a comparison of Bush and Hitler -
Differences

Personal features -
Hitler was small, had a moustache and stood up straight.
Bush is taller, has no moustache and stands up like a ape.
Hitler was a brillant orator
Bush has trouble saying any sentence that has more than four words in it.

Domestic Policies -
Hitler promised the working classes that he would make them better off and create high employment (promises which he did deliver).
Bush promised the rich that he would make them better off (a promise that he has delivered) and created high unemployment
Hitler improved the German economy.
Bush has damaged the US economy.
Hitler put political dissidents in detention camps on german soil without allowing them access to lawyers.
Bush puts political dissidents in detention camps on foreign soil without allowing them access to lawyers.

Foreign Policies
Hitler invaded his neigbour without cause and occupied the land in the name of bringing Freedom. The invasion brought wealth to the German economy.
Bush invaded a country that was not his neigbour, without cause, and occupied the land in the name of bringing Freedom. The invasion damaged the US economy.


Similaritiess
Bush and Hitler both instigated security laws that:
1. Discriminate against a particular society (Hitler against Jews, Bush against foreigners)
2. Allowed the state to spy on its citizens without their knowledge
3. Detained citizens without access to judicial process

And of course:
Hitler made the world both hate and fear his country.
Bush made the world both hate and fear his country.


No, they have committed a few similar actions, but not enough to call them the same (yet).

[ 09-09-2003, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Skunk ]

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: I gotta agree with the Wookie here MagiK. The Patriot Act is something that every liberty loving American should be activly working to destroy. It has way too many opportunities for abuse. It may 'only' be applied to terrorists now, but then it's 'enemies of the state', 'enemies of the police', the boyfriend of some Congressman's mistress .... "Those who would sell Freedom for Security will have neither Freedom nor Security." Ben Franklin

Yep, innocent people are already effected by it and many people on all sides of the political spectrum are raising doubts. I started a new thread with an in-depth newspiece here:
http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...;f=27;t=000280

[wellard]

Originally posted by khazadman: Faceman I ask you to show me where the signs are of fascists controlling anything in this country. This country is too conservative to ever become fascist. That's for the lefty Europeans.

Oh look more European praise from khazadman, and a nice reply Chewy

It's a good point the article makes Magik *damn you and Attalus getting me to read NRO [img]tongue.gif[/img] * except the D&D jibe at the end. The crazy thing is that their is so much scope for criticism amid the ranks of the republican party and it's philosophy that why stoop so low as to make that nazi claim?

I always find name calling cheapens a argument, however if they called George "abacus" Bush a self-serving unelected dangerous fool, it would be fair criticism

[/)eathKiller]

Originally posted by MagiK: Gitmo is not the same thing as Auschwitz or Dachau.

Darn straight it isn't [img]tongue.gif[/img] I've been to Dachhow and Auschwitz, and I'm quite certain I didn't see any palm trees there!