BushWackin'

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Originally posted by skywalker:
Sorry, I just can't help myself!

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All I got at that link was a Monica and Bill story about how the final result of the Inquiry against Clinton should have resulted in criminal prsecution.....whats up with that?

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Originally posted by skywalker:
Why is it that when I poke a little fun at Bush, sometimes the response is a nasty dig at Clinton?

I really could care less about what Clinton did. All I know is that I had more money during the Clinton years than I do now. I suspect I'm not the only one.

Mark

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I brought up my question cause that is the story that was leading when I followed the link YOU provided.

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Originally posted by Moni:


Because the Bush administration is doing all they can whenever and wherever they can to try to keep people's attention focused on everything BUT the rotten job they are doing.
We saw some "news" this morning about them having finished their report on the Clinton/Lewinski affair and coming up with enough evidence to prosecute him but they're not going to "considering all that has happened since 9-11"
*cough*crap*cough
KHaN named it the Enron sidestep.

Jorath Calar,
The scariest thing is the fact that he wasn't actually voted in and is the most powerful man on earth right now!

There isn't an ounce of Bejesus left in me!!!

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Moni 89% (highest percentage in the history of the office)of the people in the country disagree with you according to the washington post (a liberal rag if ever there was one) It seems you are in the minority thinking that the Bush administration is doing a lousey job. Please elucidate and be specific please, just what is bad that the Bush administration has done?? Im fairly certain all you will come up with is "OPINION" differences, things linke drilling in ANWAR so far, only Tom Daschel has done anything demonstrably wrong, by holding up the stimulus package when the majority of his own party wanted it. If anyone is PO'd about the economy blame Daschell, because he is the one who held things up so he could help his re-election this fall.

[ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[khazadman]

thank you magic.you said it better than i could.but i wasn't aware that daschle was up for reelection.he's in deep doo doo then after the dumb things he's done in the last several months.

[Blade]

I would just like to add my two cents here but the economy and the problems that Bush is facing were created by Clinton and his polocies. It is a fact that as early as March of last year that the economy was slowing down and going into a recession. Also if you just got into office your polocies wouldn't have taken effect yeat because they take several months to accutally come into play except when it is severly pushed and rushed.

[fable]

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Originally posted by MagiK:


Moni 89% (highest percentage in the history of the office)of the people in the country disagree with you according to the washington post (a liberal rag if ever there was one) It seems you are in the minority thinking that the Bush administration is doing a lousey job.

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It's still his option to do so, though there are now some people who regard saying anything negative about Dubyah as equivalent to treason.

Please elucidate and be specific please, just what is bad that the sh administration has done?? Im fairly certain all you will come up with is "OPINION" differences, things linke drilling in ANWAR

Short list:

Jerking his puppet head up and down anytime the Israeli Prime Minister makes a statement or the Israeli army makes a move against Palestinians. Regardless of where you stand on this, brokering a peace between Israeli and Palestine ain't gonna happen if the most likely candidate to enforce a peace is seen as a mannikin run by one side.

Withdrawing the US from a variety of important global agreements and pending agreements that (in some cases) the US has been negotiating positively since guess when--Dubyah's daddy was in office.

Arbitrarily abrogating the ABM treaty with the Russians. Speaks for itself.

This Axis of Evil business has set back attempts to deal with the North Koreans--a little like telling a dangerous lunatic with a loaded gun that he's a crazy maniac. The South Koreans and Japanese governments have already spoken harshly with Dubyah over the matter. (Diplomatic jargon was that the meetings showed "decided differences of opinion," which meant they really went at it.)

He's a liberal spender the likes of which hasn't been seen since LBJ, and the latter had a much better economy and a huge financial surplus. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, a social moderate or a conservative, this kind of blithe disregard for fiscal responsibility raises my hackles. His proposed budget is a joke, and would run up a huge deficit very quickly, IMO.

He's already expressed extreme optimism in that demonic Edward Teller's Star Wars idea, and was willing (at one point) to spend even more on it than he is on "fighting terrorism." Chalk this up as a future error waiting to happen, pouring billions of dollars into developing the theories behind the prototyped parts needed to establish the equipment that many theorists think won't work but likely can't prevent attacks if it does--since terrorists have already shown how well they can mess up nations without resorting to nuclear bombs.

He's attempting to stack the courts. Clinton, the idiot, tried to play by the old cooperative rules, and appointed a large number of Republicans to the court system (federal and otherwise). Bush's appointees are exclusively from the right-wing of the Republican party, and appear to have been chosen first for their reactionary ideology. Some are very competent, some are merely competent, and some are raising protests among the legal community, itself.

Closing down the legal department's continuing fight against Microsoft's monopoly. Gets little publicity, I know, but this has big implications for the future, IMO. It also shows for the first time that the US government is unwilling to match the financial resources in court of a major international corporation.

Bush has decided to reverse a policy (literally, the "Open Portfolio Policy") set in place during the Carter administration providing Congressional and Judicial access to all Executive branch of the government files when requested. The policy was first put into place to prevent the kind of hell that erupted between the branches during the Watergate crisis. It's been followed since--up until Dubyah sent around a memo through the Cabinet and White House in the middle of last year, stating that all requests for documents from the judiciary or Congress were to be refused. So much for the informational equivalent of a "system of checks and balances" that our democracy is based upon.

Steel tariffs, the latest major error. Classic short-sighted tradeoff, IMO: it's more important for Dubyah to win senatorial seats in the big steel states (like West Virginia and Ohio) this fall, then worry about the economy, which will suffer a big hit overall when Europe responds with its own slate of tariffs, which in turn starts a complete tit-for-tat trade war.

Feel free to shoot back, Magik. I'm not going to argue, and hopefully no one here is going to stoop as low as to flame me for offering my honest opinions--even if they don't go with those of the most outspoken members like yourself. But since you asked why some people don't like Bush--and since so many people are screaming down anyone who says differently, now (all because of those stinking Al-Qua'idah terrorists), I'm telling it like I see it. [img]smile.gif[/img] I have a lot of problems with Dubyah's actions and plans, and this is just the tip of 'em, IMO. He knows his popularity is linked completely to this new "war," given that he wasn't doing well in the polls before September. If he can't continue it, I think he's going to be in for a very rocky road with the US public-at-large. Again, just my two cents.

[ 03-07-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

[ʆë®Ñï†Ý]

~clapps~ Fable puts things so well. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just to highlight a point that Moni made. The "mystery" surrounding Bush's election in the first place and all those votes that couldn't be counted probably counts against him in many people's opinion.

"Moni 89% (highest percentage in the history of the office)of the people in the country disagree with you according to the washington post (a liberal rag if ever there was one) It seems you are in the minority thinking that the Bush administration is doing a lousey job. "

89% of the whole population or 89% of the people that actually bothered to vote?

I don't have a clue about newspapers in the U.S. but even liberal newspapers have been known to become controlled propaganda machines for the present government. Not that I'm saying the washington post is.

Apparently people are getting banged up for expressing views against Bush under any old pretext now.

I think many just find it ironic that America, the number one democratic country has a president that wasn't even clearly voted in by the majority of people in the country (not to mention what his brother does for his image).

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Originally posted by ʆë®Ñï†Ý:
~clapps~ Fable puts things so well. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just to highlight a point that Moni made. The "mystery" surrounding Bush's election in the first place and all those votes that couldn't be counted probably counts against him in many people's opinion.

"Moni 89% (highest percentage in the history of the office)of the people in the country disagree with you according to the washington post (a liberal rag if ever there was one) It seems you are in the minority thinking that the Bush administration is doing a lousey job. "

89% of the whole population or 89% of the people that actually bothered to vote?

I don't have a clue about newspapers in the U.S. but even liberal newspapers have been known to become controlled propaganda machines for the present government. Not that I'm saying the washington post is.

Apparently people are getting banged up for expressing views against Bush under any old pretext now.

I think many just find it ironic that America, the number one democratic country has a president that wasn't even clearly voted in by the majority of people in the country (not to mention what his brother does for his image).

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Actually Eternity its 89% of the population. The polls that are done are only statistical models but are fairly accurate to withihn 5% or so. Obviously they cant talk to every person in the country so they follow some pretty sophisticated policies and they try to balance their canvasing so as to get the most accurate polls, the Polling industry is actually a very lucrative and highly competitive industry and accuracy means life or death for the organization the does the polling. Companies pay BIG$$$$ for accurate polling results.

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Originally posted by fable:


It's still his option to do so, though there are now some people who regard saying anything negative about Dubyah as equivalent to treason.

Please elucidate and be specific please, just what is bad that the sh administration has done?? Im fairly certain all you will come up with is "OPINION" differences, things linke drilling in ANWAR
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Fable please read the post before you respond. Every item you mentioned is nothing but opinion. I actually agreed with him on most of those, and you are full of bull about his being a puppet to Israel (your anti-semitic roots are showing) You are most certainly in the minority with the postions you are defending. I disagree with your position on almost every issue. Oh well you have the right to your opinion but I had hoped..I had thought you could deal with facts and not just brainless babbeling about him being a puppet or spewing leftist propaganda.
I know you are not brainless but you manage to make me wonder some times.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

I would like to interject a comment about "The Election" here.

I've become good friends with one of our members that lives in northern Florida. When we started e-mailing each other, I discovered that he actually lives in the next time zone over from me. In other words, when it is 8:00 o'clock here, it is only 7:00 o'clock there.

He said that this little known fact was part of what sparked all the controversy to begin with. Peter Jennings was gleefully announcing that Al Gore had "WON" the Florida electoral votes, when the panhandle part of the state still had 1 hour left to finish voting....and that portion of the state overwhemingly voted for Bush.

If the national TV media could have been just a "tad" more patient, there may have never been a controversy to start with.