Best evil or good???

[Vedran]

Originally posted by Luvian: Yeah right... I really doubt you know what being evil really mean. How many person have you killed/maimed/tortured yet?

Great. Inspire him. Inspire an evil person.

[Luvian]

Originally posted by Raistlin Majere: but lets remember that there are many different kinds of evil. not all evil (wo)men kill/torture/maim. stealing, dealing drugs(especially to children), sabotage and vandalizm are all fine examples of modern day evil acts. im not saying that TaSSaDaR is evil, i even doubt it, but it could be. if so, then shame on you TaSSaDaR !

Stealing, sabotage and vandalism are NOT evil acts, those are chaotic acts, as it is against the law.

Robin Hood was a thief, was he evil? How about Imoen, Nalia, or Jan?

[Stratos]

Playing evil have never appealed to me: I don't take any pleasure in maiming and torturing people, not even in a CRPG, and if I want to be sinister then I'm direct that towards my predominantely evil enemies but I have no problem being the most powerful and "badest" MF around and being that is just as important as rescuing people or whatever the current quest is about.

Edit: So I'm never violent to anyone innocent except that Neeber or Noober or whatever his name is, 'cause the way he p****s off a would be hero like me he can't be up to any good.

[ 06-18-2003, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

[selena]

I have great success playing good parties. I love rescuing things, being nice, and having people think we're fabulously wonderful. I tried (briefly) playing a druid, but I cant get my head round this balance thing, and she ended up being wonderfully brilliantly good. So that didnt work. The 2 games I've gotten furthest with have been good parties (the completed one had a good priest, minsc, anomen, nalia, aerie and jaheira). Now I'm playing a neutral evil bard, and I'm already struggling to not give money randomly to imprisoned kids and the like. However, I do have a low party rep for the first time ever! (mainly because we recruited Viconia) and Minsc is not happy. But it's him or that stinky dwarf, and I cant stand Korgan.

[Bloodtitan]

to be honest : allthough there are only 3 evil npcs in bg2 they are the best you can get. all the do-gooders suck. really suck. example ? most people love minsc an call him superior fighter ... lol. a "fallen" ranger (cant cast spells) with only 2 points to be distributed in all weapons and styles. pure warrior = 5 points go for korgan.
what about good npc mages ? 3 multi or dualclass women (as lame as charlies angels ...) and no specialist ... hooray ! imoen your tiny sister, annoying voice and childish comments. aerie, no hitpoints no brain silly attributes, jack-of-all-master-of-none. and nalia, USELESS thief and thus slowed in mage lvls. all suck to me. what do we have on the evil side? edwin the conjurer. well he cant use divination but i never missed it. he can cast !8! spells per lvl in later stages, 3 more than these goodie amateurs.
last comparison : healer in your party. ok, jaheira makes a nice fighter healer and can use some spells to buff herself. forget about anomen, he has too low wisdom and how early in the game do you want to finish his +wis-quest? i thought so ... and cernd ? xp-stealer, stops to lvl at 14 (i think) and needs 1.5 mio ! xp for next up. not good. i could list aerie here lol. look at her stats and you know what i mean. but we have a not-so-nice lady here : viconia. pure cleric only healer with 18 wisdom nice romance nice npc-quests as all other evils have too.

so go and create yourself a dualclass thief or multiclass (not tripleclass) and play with an evil party of 4. easy game, fast lvling. whatabout alignment and how to play evil ? viconia sets your reputation 2 points lower as long as she is with you. i suggest to do all the quests and grab the xp and loot. if some quests will reward you with rep-up try to find a single commoner or such and kill him/her. best evil reputation is 5 or 4, if you got 3 or lower the "cowled fools" will teleport in and try to kill you. early in the game they are too strong for you and your party and there is no need to face them or any advantage in it if you win. evil is best in singleplayer (except one situation .. guess it ).

if you want to play a good party create a group yourself (maybe pickup a romance char). to me heroes should be heroes and not lucky-survivors of a harder battle.

[Link]

Good and evil are both relative. It all depends on your definition of evil. If you think slaughtering people is evil, then you may be playing with a good alignment, but with an information screen that says: "Total number of kills in party: 438" then you're evil as hell.. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Nerull]

Originally posted by Bloodtitan: so go and create yourself a dualclass thief or multiclass (not tripleclass) and play with an evil party of 4. easy game, fast lvling. whatabout alignment and how to play evil ? viconia sets your reputation 2 points lower as long as she is with you. i suggest to do all the quests and grab the xp and loot. if some quests will reward you with rep-up try to find a single commoner or such and kill him/her. best evil reputation is 5 or 4, if you got 3 or lower the "cowled fools" will teleport in and try to kill you. early in the game they are too strong for you and your party and there is no need to face them or any advantage in it if you win. evil is best in singleplayer (except one situation .. guess it ).

Actually, the best rep for an evil party is 6. This gets you to be disliked, all evil NPCs will be happy (6 and lower to be happy), any neutral NPCs will be neutral (rep 6 to 18 to be neutral), and this is one point above the level that you have a chance of having the guards coming after you.

Always ask for reward, and keep pestering them for reward ("I don't care, as long as I get paid"). This will cut out a good number of the reputation rewards that you get for doing quests (they don't go talk about you afterwards as being a nice guy, since you were being such a pain the whole time asking for money).

[Bloodtitan]

nerull is right if you plan to pickup a neutral char (jaheira maybe). i suggested to play with rep 4-5 if you got evils only, oh and you will get a 4th evil npc if you play ToB.

[Sever]

No matter what alignment i choose in a BG2 game, my actions always tend to stray towards Chaotic Good. This is not helped by the fact that the game really seems to have poorly thought out evil dialogue options and events and xp penalties for the evil paths. In order for me to enjoy an evil game, i have to really improvise on the roleplaying side of things.

[Nerull]

Originally posted by Sever: No matter what alignment i choose in a BG2 game, my actions always tend to stray towards Chaotic Good. This is not helped by the fact that the game really seems to have poorly thought out evil dialogue options and events and xp penalties for the evil paths. In order for me to enjoy an evil game, i have to really improvise on the roleplaying side of things.

I agree. I think that maybe evil should lose out on some xp, but have that path be more profitable in the short term (i.e. evil is looking for power and wealth, so have them be able to accumulate both more readily than the good person who sacrifices such things to do the right thing). In other words, good gets better feel good rewards (rep for better prices and a little better xp), but evil gets more wealth and magic (i.e. more opportunities to sell people out, play two sides off against one another for profit, etc.). Neutral should get a mix of both, depending on the situation.

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There is one quest for which the evil guys, if they play in character, really get screwed on. The whole dragon egg quest is just one big losing battle for evil guys if you kill Sola. You have to show mercy to a guy (out of character) to get the fake eggs to be able to give them to the demon for your own profit. There should be a method of getting another set of fake eggs that is just downright nasty (killing some innocent creatures who are the components for the fake eggs). Or even better, some way to play one of the other houses off against House Despana, where you can come out on top if you play your cards right. I wouldn't mind seeing a mod that did that.