Is Firefox better then IE

[SpiritWarrior]

I amn't saying it's bad. If you would see in my second post I advised him to keep IE while using FF. I said both.

[Zebodog]

It would be interesting to hear some actual quantifiable data to support these claims that one is better than the other. I see little difference between Firefox and IE7 other than the fact I don't get timeouts at Ironworks when on IE7. Thus, IE is better FOR ME.

[SpiritWarrior]

God yes, I haven't had a timeout in months. I thought it was IW that fixed it, but yeah I switched to IE7 beta around then.

[Hivetyrant]

Originally posted by Zebodog: It would be interesting to hear some actual quantifiable data to support these claims that one is better than the other. I see little difference between Firefox and IE7 other than the fact I don't get timeouts at Ironworks when on IE7. Thus, IE is better FOR ME.

The only issues I ever faced with IE was that spyware was able to change my homepage and not allow me to change it back, bt then again, I have had the same thing happen in Firefox.
Most people will claim that IE is less secure, which is true to a certain degree I suppose. But that has changed since IE7 has been released.

Eitehr way, it is nott easily possible to show accurate, un-biased facts on both.

Just use what you like and leave people to try them all if they choose to.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Zebodog: It would be interesting to hear some actual quantifiable data to support these claims that one is better than the other. I see little difference between Firefox and IE7 other than the fact I don't get timeouts at Ironworks when on IE7. Thus, IE is better FOR ME.

You are spot on!

First qualifying post: All servers talk to each other in code. All browsers must be able to talk to the server in order to create communications. M$ does this for you, in the deep dark depths of the unseen world.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa286574.aspx

My preference is Linux and Swift Fox (high speed low drag Linux only FF), which is native code with a native coded browser. I have zero impact from virus, trojan, script, active X, java, and hang times. Yet, I still have SSL 3.0 security. Both my Federal Credit Union, and bank, (Citi-Bank) have chosen the higher security standards. However, there was a validation process that had to be executed prior to full access. As "B" posted above, that was conducted some time ago.

Is it not amazing how we get so involved for a simple question on this forum?

Use both, be happy, surf till you can't surf no-more!

[Hivetyrant]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Is it not amazing how we get so involved for a simple question on this forum? Use both, be happy, surf till you can't surf no-more!

Hehe, I agree with both your points

It really is amazing that the words "FF/IE/FX/Firefox/Inernet Explorer/Linux/Unix/Windows" are destined to have long discussions (actually arguments)

It's all in good fun though as long as you don't take it too seriously (Which I admit I do alot [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[Harkoliar]

Maxthon rulez! (thats what i have been using in a long time) integrated IE engine that is. [img]smile.gif[/img]

but i do surf in mozilla once in awhile. Speaking of which, I found a cool plugin for Mozilla firefox which would allow you to download videos from youtube, and other sites

http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

extension plug-in
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/

You would need an FLV player for it though. (im sure you also would know how to move around this website for the plug in [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[Sir Krustin]

Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: I think you are saying alot but managing to steer clear from anything that is in any way relevant. People, please re-read posts carefully and thoroughly before spewing paragraphs of these stupid assumptions and arrogant conclusions all the while patting yourself on the back for "saying what you feel". There is no need to be a rude prick about the fact that you disagree. It is enough that your reasons are retarded but atop this you have to come off as annoying AND clueless. Just, don't.

What stupid conclusions are you talking about?

1) Windows is, in fact, the most insecure and buggy O/S out there - this is proven fact. XP has many "features" that the average user is totally unaware of, or even how to use, that are enabled by default, or can be enabled through simple, hidden commands on a webpage. Unsuspecting webusers can then be literally hacked at the root level of access completely without their knowledge. It takes considerable savvy to disable these features, even if you find out about them. (for example, XP's built in server functionality)

Windows has an enormous buglist - one that grows faster than they're patched by the slothful bureaucracy at microsoft. Open-source software (such as Linux or Firefox, for example) often get bugs patched before they're common knowledge.

2) IE uses ActiveX, that's a fact. ActiveX is an infection vector, that too is a fact. Just because you're aware something is being installed doesn't mean it's beneficial to you. Ever heard of a Trojan?

3) I don't feel I've been rude at all - I haven't called you names or insulted you - just your flagwaving of an inferior browser. You have a right to your opinion - even when it's wrong. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Harkoliar]

as much as i agree with your first point SirK.
the problem would also be that while many people arent aware about those "default" settings, they will probably not also be aware of the existence of linux or other OS. At least IMO, many people see the bugs of windows because a majority of people use windows. If the same amount of resources are placed into other OS in discovering weaknesses and bugs, I am fairly confident they will have the same amount of buglist that can be discovered.

another note is i belive would be a good but decieving advertising being made by MAC
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
especially claiming that thier OS is spyware free and cannot be hacked into.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally posted by Sir Krustin: quote: Originally posted by SpiritWarrior: I think you are saying alot but managing to steer clear from anything that is in any way relevant. People, please re-read posts carefully and thoroughly before spewing paragraphs of these stupid assumptions and arrogant conclusions all the while patting yourself on the back for "saying what you feel". There is no need to be a rude prick about the fact that you disagree. It is enough that your reasons are retarded but atop this you have to come off as annoying AND clueless. Just, don't.

What stupid conclusions are you talking about?

1) Windows is, in fact, the most insecure and buggy O/S out there - this is proven fact. XP has many "features" that the average user is totally unaware of, or even how to use, that are enabled by default, or can be enabled through simple, hidden commands on a webpage. Unsuspecting webusers can then be literally hacked at the root level of access completely without their knowledge. It takes considerable savvy to disable these features, even if you find out about them. (for example, XP's built in server functionality)

Windows has an enormous buglist - one that grows faster than they're patched by the slothful bureaucracy at microsoft. Open-source software (such as Linux or Firefox, for example) often get bugs patched before they're common knowledge.

2) IE uses ActiveX, that's a fact. ActiveX is an infection vector, that too is a fact. Just because you're aware something is being installed doesn't mean it's beneficial to you. Ever heard of a Trojan?

3) I don't feel I've been rude at all - I haven't called you names or insulted you - just your flagwaving of an inferior browser. You have a right to your opinion - even when it's wrong. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Well then I guess that's the way you talk to everyone when expressing your opinion...since we both agree that's all it is, an opinion. It's just your statements contradict what you just said, you say things like "you flagwaving an inferior browser". Put the abbreviation "IMHO" before that (remember we all have 'opinions'). You then say "you have a right to an opinion - even when it's wrong". Make up your mind. Or is it just what suits you in the moment? I refuse to believe you talk to people like this IRL. Regardless, please don't do it here. This isn't an Xbox forum where we struggle to prove who has the bigger E-peen and who can be more condescendingly arrogant. This is a thread where someone asked an opinion. If you disagree with the opionions fine but have manners while doing so. If you still have absolutely no inkling as to how you come across in your posts perhaps if I just paste this line back to you it might spur on some deep self-analysis.

"I don't feel I've been rude at all - I haven't called you names or insulted you - just your flagwaving of an inferior browser. You have a right to your opinion - even when it's wrong."

Now, as for your proven facts they are what I would call "flagwaving". Most of this data is all proportional at best. Windows has more users than any OS. It's like the "no viruses on the mac" discussion we had a few months back on this forum. It's because there's not enough people to be bothered making them. Add enough people to anything and flaws will soon be uncovered. Of course it has security holes and bugs but what doesn't? Open source software is a double edged sword of course. The other side is that everyone else and their mother has access to the code. The activeX thing I don't dispute but bears no relevance to what I was saying. And no, what is a trojan? *groan*

[ 10-18-2006, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: SpiritWarrior ]