Red Dragon ( and other dragons too sometimes )

daan · 09-13-2002, 08:25 AM

I was fighting the Big Red .. full of confidence that my 3 mages would quite simply lower his MR, and unleash 3 spell-sequencers with 3 skull-traps each.
.. That's usually pretty deadly ( at their lvl, max. damage of 246 HP ).

However, though the Red dragon only had Stoneskin up ( positive about that ),
all skull-traps failed ... ( " a spell has failed" in the txt window )..
Why cant i launch the skull traps at the Red Dragon ??, It works on other enemies ...

Also, when i launched a single skull-trap in his vicinity, it didnt explode .. this one has happened with other dragons too ... the skull-traps are practically hugging the dragon without exploding ...
Why ?

Thx for any replies

Dundee Slaytern · 09-13-2002, 09:13 AM

The range of the Spell Sequencer is further than the range of the Skull Trap. Therefore, unless you fire it up, close and personal, it will fail to cast properly. Magic Missiles in your Spell Sequencer will work better.

The trigger radius of a Skull Trap is quite small. I usually cast directly on the target to trigger its' explosion.

Jerr Conner · 09-13-2002, 11:56 AM

Also, if you can't get close enough, just lure him near the Skull Traps.

Thuram · 09-13-2002, 03:48 PM

I think the reason for not exploding, is that they only do it when someone gets as close as 1,5 m. (When this happens the skull will explode and the area affected is of course bigger).

So, probably the game engine measures 1,5 to the center of the creature, not to the border. Normal creatures are small enough so that center and border are more or less the same (you won't notice the difference). But with dragons the difference is big; so it won't explode even if his border is touching the skull.

Either lure him to the skull traps or summon expendable creature who will ignite the skulls. As said, once they explode the area it affects is big enough to hit the dragon. If you don't want to summon a poor creature, you can do the job on ignitting them yourself; just cast Minor Globe of Invulnarability or similar on you.

One curious question: Do you make the dragon become unfriendly by talking, or do you just attack him first?

daan · 09-13-2002, 04:45 PM

I really like that theorie m8

And as to your question ... i find it hard to believe any dragon doesnt get the point when he sees 3 mages in full protection stand around him in a semi-circle. So I usually just make a weak summon ( gnoll or something ) attack him before casting anything else.
No harm done and it's a more fair start [img]tongue.gif[/img]

oh, and thx for all the replies

EDIT: Good point Dundee, lol, i actually replied to another boardie with the exact same answer a while ago .. and i completely forgot i allready knew the answer to my own question

.. ah well, thx anywayz [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 09-13-2002, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: daan ]

Dundee Slaytern · 09-14-2002, 12:53 AM

You know, you can also talk to Firkragg to initiate the fight. That is what I do all the time.

"It is as they say, your funeral."

09-13-2002, 08:25 AM	#1
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	I was fighting the Big Red .. full of confidence that my 3 mages would quite simply lower his MR, and unleash 3 spell-sequencers with 3 skull-traps each. .. That's usually pretty deadly ( at their lvl, max. damage of 246 HP ). However, though the Red dragon only had Stoneskin up ( positive about that ), all skull-traps failed ... ( " a spell has failed" in the txt window ).. Why cant i launch the skull traps at the Red Dragon ??, It works on other enemies ... Also, when i launched a single skull-trap in his vicinity, it didnt explode .. this one has happened with other dragons too ... the skull-traps are practically hugging the dragon without exploding ... Why ? Thx for any replies __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

09-13-2002, 11:56 AM	#3
Jerr Conner Silver Dragon Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: Mundania Age: 43 Posts: 1,634	Also, if you can't get close enough, just lure him near the Skull Traps. __________________ <b>Founder of the NPC Defender Force</b>, <b>Affiliate of the Pro-Mazzy Society</b><br />\"I hate to admit it but you\'ve earned my respect.\"--Shar-Teel (Thanks for this Illumina Drathiran\'ar)<br /> [img]\"http://userpic.livejournal.com/14048184/35120\" alt=\" - \" />

09-13-2002, 04:45 PM	#5
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	I really like that theorie m8 And as to your question ... i find it hard to believe any dragon doesnt get the point when he sees 3 mages in full protection stand around him in a semi-circle. So I usually just make a weak summon ( gnoll or something ) attack him before casting anything else. No harm done and it's a more fair start [img]tongue.gif[/img] oh, and thx for all the replies EDIT: Good point Dundee, lol, i actually replied to another boardie with the exact same answer a while ago .. and i completely forgot i allready knew the answer to my own question .. ah well, thx anywayz [img]tongue.gif[/img] [ 09-13-2002, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: daan ] __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

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09-13-2002, 09:13 AM	#2
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	The range of the Spell Sequencer is further than the range of the Skull Trap. Therefore, unless you fire it up, close and personal, it will fail to cast properly. Magic Missiles in your Spell Sequencer will work better. The trigger radius of a Skull Trap is quite small. I usually cast directly on the target to trigger its' explosion.

09-13-2002, 03:48 PM	#4
Thuram Dungeon Master Join Date: September 6, 2002 Location: Spain Age: 52 Posts: 77	I think the reason for not exploding, is that they only do it when someone gets as close as 1,5 m. (When this happens the skull will explode and the area affected is of course bigger). So, probably the game engine measures 1,5 to the center of the creature, not to the border. Normal creatures are small enough so that center and border are more or less the same (you won't notice the difference). But with dragons the difference is big; so it won't explode even if his border is touching the skull. Either lure him to the skull traps or summon expendable creature who will ignite the skulls. As said, once they explode the area it affects is big enough to hit the dragon. If you don't want to summon a poor creature, you can do the job on ignitting them yourself; just cast Minor Globe of Invulnarability or similar on you. One curious question: Do you make the dragon become unfriendly by talking, or do you just attack him first?

09-14-2002, 12:53 AM	#6
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	You know, you can also talk to Firkragg to initiate the fight. That is what I do all the time. "It is as they say, your funeral."

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