Should there be a Kurdistan?

Djinn Raffo · 12-28-2002, 05:26 AM

After a successful war in Iraq should this areas borders be redrawn? Pencil in a Kurdistan and a fair bit north of Baghdad and every thing to the south remains Iraq?

If it is decided that this should be done in Iraq.. Does that justify or move towards redrawing the map (and all that goes with that) in Africa? In Asia?

Yorick · 12-28-2002, 06:04 AM

Yes there should be a Kurdistan

The Hierophant · 12-28-2002, 06:20 AM

Pencil in a country here, rhetoricize a new ethnicity there. Short-term solutions to long-term problems. This violent nationalism and obsession with 'homeland' has people going off to shoot one another without a real, firm grasp over just what the @#!$ it is that they are fighting for. Most definitions of 'nation' are riddled with holes and imperfections. Get rid of this detrimental and outmoded political system and start fresh.

Ar-Cunin · 12-28-2002, 06:22 AM

If so - how much of Iran and Turkey should be included?

The Kurds may get atonomy within the borders of Iraq, but not independence - It would set a 'bad' presedence.

Djinn Raffo · 12-28-2002, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by The Hierophant:

Pencil in a country here, rhetoricize a new ethnicity there. Short-term solutions to long-term problems. This violent nationalism and obsession with 'homeland' has people going off to shoot one another without a real, firm grasp over just what the @#!$ it is that they are fighting for. Most definitions of 'nation' are riddled with holes and imperfections. Get rid of this detrimental and outmoded political system and start fresh.

What is starting fresh? you talk of outmoded and detrimental.. but you don't offer any solutions... or alternatives..
edits> And what is the long term problem that short term solutions are but a finger in a hole in a dam kind of problem.. simply stated: What is the problem?

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Djinn Raffo · 12-28-2002, 06:23 AM

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Originally posted by Ar-Cunin:
If so - how much of Iran and Turkey should be included?

The Kurds may get atonomy within the borders of Iraq, but not independence - It would set a 'bad' presedence.

Turkey would have to give up some land.. but many Turkish Kurds would doubtless be forced to relocate.

Ar-Cunin · 12-28-2002, 06:26 AM

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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:

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Originally posted by Ar-Cunin:
If so - how much of Iran and Turkey should be included?

The Kurds may get atonomy within the borders of Iraq, but not independence - It would set a 'bad' presedence.

Turkey would have to give up some land.. but many Turkish Kurds would doubtless be forced to relocate.[/QUOTE]Turkey will give up land when pigs fly and hell freezes over - and not one moment before.

Djinn Raffo · 12-28-2002, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Ar-Cunin:

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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:

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Originally posted by Ar-Cunin:
If so - how much of Iran and Turkey should be included?

The Kurds may get atonomy within the borders of Iraq, but not independence - It would set a 'bad' presedence.

Turkey would have to give up some land.. but many Turkish Kurds would doubtless be forced to relocate.[/QUOTE]Turkey will give up land when pigs fly and hell freezes over - and not one moment before.[/QUOTE]Dangle some EU membership before them..

The Hierophant · 12-28-2002, 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:

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Originally posted by The Hierophant:

Pencil in a country here, rhetoricize a new ethnicity there. Short-term solutions to long-term problems. This violent nationalism and obsession with 'homeland' has people going off to shoot one another without a real, firm grasp over just what the @#!$ it is that they are fighting for. Most definitions of 'nation' are riddled with holes and imperfections. Get rid of this detrimental and outmoded political system and start fresh.

What is starting fresh? you talk of outmoded and detrimental.. but you don't offer any solutions... or alternatives..[/QUOTE]I guess starting fresh is just moving somewhere else and leaving all of the years of hatred and built-up residual crap behind. Let 'wherever' self-destruct and move onto somewhere new.
Works for me [img]smile.gif[/img]

The Hierophant · 12-28-2002, 06:37 AM

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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:
simply stated: What is the problem?

the problem is people being of such mind as to kill for the sake of disagreement. Whether it be of religious, national, political differences. Whatever.
Being of the desire to kill for one's beliefs is not something I agree with, but I will not kill anyone who says otherwise...

12-28-2002, 06:04 AM	#2
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12-28-2002, 06:20 AM	#3
The Hierophant Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: May 10, 2002 Location: Dunedin, New Zealand. Age: 43 Posts: 2,860	Pencil in a country here, rhetoricize a new ethnicity there. Short-term solutions to long-term problems. This violent nationalism and obsession with 'homeland' has people going off to shoot one another without a real, firm grasp over just what the @#!$ it is that they are fighting for. Most definitions of 'nation' are riddled with holes and imperfections. Get rid of this detrimental and outmoded political system and start fresh. __________________ [img]\"hosted/Hierophant.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Strewth!

12-28-2002, 06:22 AM	#4
Ar-Cunin Ra Join Date: August 14, 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Age: 54 Posts: 2,326	If so - how much of Iran and Turkey should be included? The Kurds may get atonomy within the borders of Iraq, but not independence - It would set a 'bad' presedence. __________________ Life is a laugh <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[biglaugh]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/biglaugh.gif\" /> - and DEATH is the final joke <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[hehe]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/hehe.gif\" />

12-28-2002, 05:26 AM	#1
Djinn Raffo Ra Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: Ant Hill Age: 50 Posts: 2,397	After a successful war in Iraq should this areas borders be redrawn? Pencil in a Kurdistan and a fair bit north of Baghdad and every thing to the south remains Iraq? If it is decided that this should be done in Iraq.. Does that justify or move towards redrawing the map (and all that goes with that) in Africa? In Asia?

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