Would You...

Killing Spree · 10-15-2001, 09:54 PM

(We discussed this in Social Studies today, thought I might get some interesting answers here.)

Let's just say the United States government captured Bin Laden, they hand you a gun, and then ask you to shoot him. Could/would you do it?

Note that without a leader with the propaganda power Osama has, the taliban would likely crumble. But could you kill somebody knowing you'll have that with you the rest of your life? Would you stick by "thou shall not kill" or would you shoot the bastard in the head? Thought it was an interesting question, any answers?

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10-15-2001, 10:01 PM

BANG!
Next?

Not to be flip about taking a life, but in this particular situation I would not hesitate. A great deal of that has to do with the fact that I don't believe there is any way to change his viewpoint on the expansion of western civilization. Although it would be nice to use his influence to repair the rift between the west and some muslim nations, I just don't think that's a possibility.
So, in the bounds of your question and what I see as current reality, I would pull the trigger.

Good question, by the way.

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Killing Spree · 10-15-2001, 10:20 PM

I'm not one to be religous... So I'd go for the automatic weapon and empty a few clips.

Daddy didn't nick-name me Killing Spree for nothin'!

Liliara · 10-15-2001, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Killing Spree:
(We discussed this in Social Studies today, thought I might get some interesting answers here.)

Let's just say the United States government captured Bin Laden, they hand you a gun, and then ask you to shoot him. Could/would you do it?

Note that without a leader with the propaganda power Osama has, the taliban would likely crumble. But could you kill somebody knowing you'll have that with you the rest of your life? Would you stick by "thou shall not kill" or would you shoot the bastard in the head? Thought it was an interesting question, any answers?

Hmmm...Took a minute on this one....then my thoughts turned to another's post on this board (sorry, answering spur of the moment didn't look up the thread) I would take that gun, slather the bullets in pigs blood and fat and play Russian Roulette with him, hoping the one bullet in the chamber was the sixth to be fired! bin Laden, I introduce you to terrorism.

(oh my...::innocent look:: did I just say that?

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250 · 10-15-2001, 10:41 PM

I will take one bullet, and hold it tightly in my hand, then ask bin laden which hand has the bullet

if he points to the hand with the bullet, then I will shoot him
if he points to the hand without the bullet, I crastrate him and cover him with pig blood, then leave him alone forever

com'on guys, if he CAN BE captured, then whatever threats he may present would be long ago defeated. leave him alive is just like having a handicaped dog live, more cruel than killing him

but if he does choose the first one, then he dies by his choice

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Killing Spree · 10-15-2001, 10:46 PM

Oh I like ya'll... VERY cynical! Like the use of pig fluids...

Memnoch · 10-16-2001, 02:27 AM

Fellas!

Take it easy with the graphic violence here, guys. There's a big difference in seeking justice and retribution and in giving in to your own particular need for vengeance. How are you different from these guys? Just because your moral purpose is higher? This article appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald a week ago.

Standing orders for torturers: be creative

Quetta, Pakistan: "You must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night's sleep."

These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Mr Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan, joining a growing number of Taliban officials escaping across the border.

"Like many people, I did not become a Talib by choice," he said, explaining how his grandfather was arrested by the Taliban in 1988 and would only be released if he provided a member of his family as a conscript. Mr Hassani, now 30, was that relative.

He became a Taliban "volunteer", assigned to the secret police. At first, his job was to patrol the streets at night looking for thieves and signs of subversion. Then, the Taliban began issuing more extreme edicts.

The night patrols were instructed to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping caged birds. Men whose beards were not long enough were to be arrested, as was any woman who ventured outside her house. Even owning a kite became a criminal offence.

"Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed," Mr Hassani said, "and if we found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked in water - like a knife cutting through meat - until the room ran with their blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or water in rooms filled with insects until they died.

"We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts like crucifixions. Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we had been."

Trying bin Laden in a court of law for 5000 counts of murder and sentencing him accordingly (be that death penalty or life in prison) should be enough to achieve justice for those who lost their lives. Torturing him to death doesn't make their justice any better or sweeter. It just lowers us to the same animalistic level as him and his followers.

I hope you guys were joking...

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Liliara · 10-16-2001, 02:32 AM

Memnoch, don't you think we could at least use their own tactics against them?

Besides, the question WAS 'what would you do!' Just trying to be truthful.

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Prime2U · 10-16-2001, 04:00 AM

I'd shoot him. One quick, clean bullet in the head. I want him dead and out of our hair, and if I want that, I'd better damn well be able to pull the trigger myself. If I have to have someone else do the execution because I can't do it myself, I'd better take a step back and look at things again, and decide if I really wanted this man to die or not, and whether it is truly the just thing to do. (I know I had some other ideas in another thread, but I'm serious on this one)

Prime

Memnoch · 10-16-2001, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by Liliara:
Memnoch, don't you think we could at least use their own tactics against them?

Besides, the question WAS 'what would you do!' Just trying to be truthful.

Now I know you're baiting me, so I won't bite.

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10-15-2001, 09:54 PM	#1
Killing Spree Mephistopheles Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: The Ashes Age: 37 Posts: 1,427	(We discussed this in Social Studies today, thought I might get some interesting answers here.) Let's just say the United States government captured Bin Laden, they hand you a gun, and then ask you to shoot him. Could/would you do it? Note that without a leader with the propaganda power Osama has, the taliban would likely crumble. But could you kill somebody knowing you'll have that with you the rest of your life? Would you stick by "thou shall not kill" or would you shoot the bastard in the head? Thought it was an interesting question, any answers? ------------------ "A man who won't die for something is not fit to live."

10-15-2001, 10:01 PM	#2
Absynthe Guest Posts: n/a	BANG! Next? Not to be flip about taking a life, but in this particular situation I would not hesitate. A great deal of that has to do with the fact that I don't believe there is any way to change his viewpoint on the expansion of western civilization. Although it would be nice to use his influence to repair the rift between the west and some muslim nations, I just don't think that's a possibility. So, in the bounds of your question and what I see as current reality, I would pull the trigger. Good question, by the way. ------------------ Perversion is the true spice of life: Variety is just part of a healthy diet.

10-15-2001, 10:20 PM	#3
Killing Spree Mephistopheles Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: The Ashes Age: 37 Posts: 1,427	I'm not one to be religous... So I'd go for the automatic weapon and empty a few clips. Daddy didn't nick-name me Killing Spree for nothin'!

10-15-2001, 10:41 PM	#5
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	I will take one bullet, and hold it tightly in my hand, then ask bin laden which hand has the bullet if he points to the hand with the bullet, then I will shoot him if he points to the hand without the bullet, I crastrate him and cover him with pig blood, then leave him alone forever com'on guys, if he CAN BE captured, then whatever threats he may present would be long ago defeated. leave him alive is just like having a handicaped dog live, more cruel than killing him but if he does choose the first one, then he dies by his choice [This message has been edited by 250 (edited 10-15-2001).] [This message has been edited by 250 (edited 10-15-2001).]

10-15-2001, 10:46 PM	#6
Killing Spree Mephistopheles Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: The Ashes Age: 37 Posts: 1,427	Oh I like ya'll... VERY cynical! Like the use of pig fluids...

10-16-2001, 02:27 AM	#7
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	Fellas! Take it easy with the graphic violence here, guys. There's a big difference in seeking justice and retribution and in giving in to your own particular need for vengeance. How are you different from these guys? Just because your moral purpose is higher? This article appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald a week ago. Standing orders for torturers: be creative Quetta, Pakistan: "You must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night's sleep." These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Mr Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan, joining a growing number of Taliban officials escaping across the border. "Like many people, I did not become a Talib by choice," he said, explaining how his grandfather was arrested by the Taliban in 1988 and would only be released if he provided a member of his family as a conscript. Mr Hassani, now 30, was that relative. He became a Taliban "volunteer", assigned to the secret police. At first, his job was to patrol the streets at night looking for thieves and signs of subversion. Then, the Taliban began issuing more extreme edicts. The night patrols were instructed to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping caged birds. Men whose beards were not long enough were to be arrested, as was any woman who ventured outside her house. Even owning a kite became a criminal offence. "Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed," Mr Hassani said, "and if we found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked in water - like a knife cutting through meat - until the room ran with their blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or water in rooms filled with insects until they died. "We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts like crucifixions. Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we had been." Trying bin Laden in a court of law for 5000 counts of murder and sentencing him accordingly (be that death penalty or life in prison) should be enough to achieve justice for those who lost their lives. Torturing him to death doesn't make their justice any better or sweeter. It just lowers us to the same animalistic level as him and his followers. I hope you guys were joking... ------------------

10-16-2001, 02:32 AM	#8
Liliara Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 17, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 874	Memnoch, don't you think we could at least use their own tactics against them? Besides, the question WAS 'what would you do!' Just trying to be truthful. ------------------ Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member "I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!) [This message has been edited by Liliara (edited 10-16-2001).]

10-16-2001, 04:00 AM	#9
Prime2U Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Manhattan,KS USA Posts: 316	I'd shoot him. One quick, clean bullet in the head. I want him dead and out of our hair, and if I want that, I'd better damn well be able to pull the trigger myself. If I have to have someone else do the execution because I can't do it myself, I'd better take a step back and look at things again, and decide if I really wanted this man to die or not, and whether it is truly the just thing to do. (I know I had some other ideas in another thread, but I'm serious on this one) Prime

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