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Old 07-02-2004, 01:36 PM   #1
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Surprise surprise, I bet they were planted by US CIA agents.
Of course now the counter argument is there aren't enough of them to count,
and the counter counter argument, he wasnt supposed to have any at all....and who knows how many are still hidden? And the counter counter counter argument, there aaren't any more unless the CIA planted more and these don't count.


Warheads with mustard, sarin gas found by Polish troops in Iraq: Rumsfeld

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Polish troops recently discovered more than a dozen warheads containing mustard or sarin gas in Iraq (news - web sites), US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a radio interview released.

Rumsfeld said Polish Defense Minister Jerzy Szmajdzinski told him about the find when they met earlier this week at a NATO (news - web sites) summit in Istanbul.


"He pointed out that his troops in Iraq had recently come across -- I've forgotten the number, but something like 16 or 17 -- warheads that contained sarin and mustard gas," Rumsfeld told Newradio 600 KOGO of San Diego, California, in an interview aired Wednesday.


"Now these are weapons that we always knew Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had that he had not declared, and they have tested them," he said.


The Pentagon (news - web sites) released a transcript of the interview Thursday.


In Warsaw, Szmajdzinski confirmed the report,


"Military intelligence officers obtained information from their sources resulting in the discovery of more than 10 missiles," he told Trojka public radio.


"They were equipped with warheads containing substances which were subjected to analysis.


"We didn't want to talk about this before the Americans determined what chemical weapon they were," the Polish defense minister added.


The head of the US-led hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Charles Duelfer, had reported in a June 24 interview with Fox television that 10 to 12 rounds containing sarin or mustard gas had been found.


Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita said Rumsfeld apparently was referring to be the same warheads that Duelfer had mentioned.


A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the number could have gone up since Duelfer spoke about them.


Rumsfeld added that he had not seen the weapons or the results of the tests, but noted that the Poles believed they "in fact were undeclared chemical weapons -- sarin and mustard gas -- quite lethal."


"And that is a discovery that just occurred within the last period of days," he said.


Rumsfeld also said there had been "a lot of intelligence speculation and rumors and chatter about the fact that Saddam Hussein may have placed some of his weapons of mass destruction in Syria before the war.


"Until that can be validated and proved, you'll find people in the administration not talking about it," he said.


The question of what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- or indeed whether it had any hidden stockpiles at the time of the war -- remains intensely controversial.




David Kay, the former head of the weapons hunt, said on stepping down in February that it was unlikely there were any large stockpiles of weapons when US-led forces invaded Iraq last year, and no evidence had been found of even small stockpiles.

On May 2, however, US troops found a 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites)-era mortar round with mustard gas that had been rigged to explode in a median of a road west of Baghdad.

Two weeks later, soldiers found a 155mm artillery round that tested positive for sarin gas, a deadly nerve agent. It, too, had been rigged as a roadside bomb.

Duelfer said that since then other sarin and mustard rounds have been found, some of them in southern Iraq in areas that were former weapons depots. They were made more than ten years ago, he said.

While they showed that Iraq's pre-war declarations to the United Nations (news - web sites) were wrong, Duelfer said he could not say Iraq had hidden a "militarily significant" stockpile of chemical weapons.

Nevertheless, he expressed concern that anti-coalition insurgents such as Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, were trying to tap into the expertise of former Iraqi weapons scientists.


Remember those 40 tons of Sarin coming out of Syria that Syria cannot produce...might these shells with SARIN in them, indicate that perhaps it came out of Iraq?
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:39 PM   #2
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This was the same stuff he used on the Kurds, right ? I saw footage of the shells, old and dusty, but fully intact, and quite deadly.
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:55 PM   #3
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These are "NEWer" weapons found just the other day...not like the old ones, these are still filled with the toxins.
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Old 07-02-2004, 01:56 PM   #4
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These are "NEWer" weapons found just the other day...not like the old ones, these are still filled with the toxins.
I know, i saw the footage this morning.
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Old 07-02-2004, 03:14 PM   #5
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This was the same stuff he used on the Kurds, right ? I saw footage of the shells, old and dusty, but fully intact, and quite deadly.
Yeah it was Sarin IIRC he used on the Kurds, the Shia in the south claim he also used it on them. Though I couldn't find any indepenant/non-Shia sources on that. We'll just have to wait for the trial.
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Old 07-02-2004, 05:27 PM   #6
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500,000 Iranians can't testify that he used it on them too during that 8 year long war, that killed so many Iranian men that there was serious worry in the country about being able to sustain a population.
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Old 07-02-2004, 06:03 PM   #7
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And here is the BBC's headline report on the same story. There seems to be a slight difference in emphasis.
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Old 07-02-2004, 09:02 PM   #8
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I kinda was shocked at "I kinda forgot how many, 16 or 17". Hell, they BETTER know how many they have!lol... geez!
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Old 07-03-2004, 01:18 AM   #9
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The key thing here is..they ARE finding them....where they SHOULD not be if you believe some people.
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Old 07-03-2004, 01:41 AM   #10
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No, the key here is they are finding them when they should not. When the chemical detector vehicles "Fox" went out (can detect an 'nats ass' worth of agent at a 1 mile standoff) did not detect them, the area was not hand searched. So, the evidence provided is as such, the level of deterioration makes the munition a non-threat. Sell the darn things, take the money and rebuild schools with it.
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